First build: 50W reverb head....an update...

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First build: 50W reverb head....an update...

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Finally, I managed to complete my first head. There some things concering layout I would make differently if I would do another build. Anyway, I'm very happy that I'm done for now :wink: .
Clean channel is 124 more or less (100k plates). OD follows the "Early 80's grail tone" schem (thanks!) with Gil's OD entrance mod (50n/4M7) and post OD treble bleed. Reverb is Gary's (thanks a lot!) single tube reverb with a type 9 accutronics.
Preamp plus PI tubes have 12V DC heaters.
No real tests so far since as a bass player I just have a crappy Strat at home. So far I can just tell that it is not noisy at all and that the reverb is really nice! I did the reverb layout so a 12DW7 would work. Sounds perfect with a 12AX7 though. Therefore I didn't try it with a 12DW7 yet.

Preamp plate voltages are on the lower side (185-190).
Dropping string is 2k2 22k 2k2. So probably I will decrease the 22k.
Reverb is powerd from a separate 4k7/22u 22k/22u string taken from B+2. There is a little reverb hum with reverb close to max but luckily it definitley is no issue.
PI trimming is a bit strange. I have 100k/110k with a 10k trim. Tried to do the 400Hz/second order harmonics approach with a dummy load for adjustment. Second order harmonics increase the more I turn the trim pot down (i.e. giving 100k and 120k between wiper and the plates). Plate voltages are something like 15V appart then (in the range of 290-300V). Tried with two different PI tubes so far with results beeing more or less the same. Any ideas?

Will have to do the layout for the faceplates now. I'm planning to do them with alucorex. It's some photosensitzed black anodized aluminium made by Bungard that can be exposed and etched similar to PCBs.
Will report back how the alucorex works out and of course once the first real tests are done also how she sounds :D

Thanks again to all you of you for making this build possible!

Wish you all a happy 2009!

Regards,

Markus
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markusw wrote:Preamp plate voltages are on the lower side (185-190).
Dropping string is 2k2 22k 2k2. So probably I will decrease the 22k.
IMHO those are good voltages for a sweet warm preamp, make sure you memorize the sound before you make a change to higher plate voltages, you may want to revert back.
markusw wrote: PI trimming is a bit strange. I have 100k/110k with a 10k trim. Tried to do the 400Hz/second order harmonics approach with a dummy load for adjustment. Second order harmonics increase the more I turn the trim pot down (i.e. giving 100k and 120k between wiper and the plates). Plate voltages are something like 15V appart then (in the range of 290-300V). Tried with two different PI tubes so far with results beeing more or less the same. Any ideas?
Markus
try more tubes - 100k and 110k with a 10k trimmer are my standard values when using a 12AX7 PI and I almost never have trouble getting the 100k plate 3 to 6 volts higher.

The alucorex sounds intriging, can't wait to see your results.
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Nice build!
Please post your results with the alucorex....i have a full panel waiting in the shadows with the same purpuse... :)
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IMHO those are good voltages for a sweet warm preamp, make sure you memorize the sound before you make a change to higher plate voltages, you may want to revert back.
Thanks for the tip! Will give her a test ride before I change anything :D
try more tubes - 100k and 110k with a 10k trimmer are my standard values when using a 12AX7 PI and I almost never have trouble getting the 100k plate 3 to 6 volts higher.
With the current PI tube if I set it to 110k plus 110k with the trimmer I get within about 6V difference. Second order harmonics are minimal at this setting though. :?:
Might the 6L6 be the reason for this phenomenon? It seems that they are not perfectly matched although according to the labelling on the packages they should be. If I set one of them to around 34mA the other one has around 40mA. Probably the 1 ohm resistors are not that great. They are just 5%...


The alucorex sounds intriging, can't wait to see your results.
Please post your results with the alucorex..
Will do for sure. I've seen some pics in the www and they really looked great.
Have to build an exposure unit before. Already got 100 UV LEDs that emit at 400nm (perfect for alucorex) :)
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I think I misread your first post, it doesn't matter what the voltage difference is as long as the 2nd order harmmonics are at optimim.
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Do you live in Denmark?
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heisthl wrote:I think I misread your first post, it doesn't matter what the voltage difference is as long as the 2nd order harmmonics are at optimim.
Thanks! :D

Will give it another try tomorrow.

Do you live in Denmark?
Nope. Vienna/Austria, Why're you asking?

Peace,

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markusw wrote:
heisthl wrote:I think I misread your first post, it doesn't matter what the voltage difference is as long as the 2nd order harmmonics are at optimim.
Thanks! :D

Will give it another try tomorrow.

Do you live in Denmark?
Nope. Vienna/Austria, Why're you asking?

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Oh I noticed that the Alucorex product was out of Denmark or is it Germany? The URL address had "de" in it.
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crap that is a heck of a built for a first time build....Wow we wnat clips...Actually we demand clips !!!!!!! 8) :D :D :D :lol:
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Oh I noticed that the Alucorex product was out of Denmark or is it Germany? The URL address had "de" in it.
Ah, I see. Yup, Bungard is a german company.
crap that is a heck of a built for a first time build....Wow we wnat clips...Actually we demand clips !!!!!!
Actually it's not quite true that this was my first build. :wink:
It was my first complete head. Did a D preamp before. See: https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... t=stompbox
The preamp is already in heavy use by my guitar buddy Dan. He plays it through an old Trace Elliot 250W power amp and a EVM 12L thiele cab.

I promise to post clips as soon as the amp has it's cab. Will be interesting to hear the difference of the two preamps. :D
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Bungard makes excellent products and machinery for small scale PCB production and prototyping. They are marketed over most of Europe.
I've been using Bungard products for prototyping for over 20 years, with good results.
Have never used the Alucorex, though. 3M used to have a similar product called ...... ( sorry - brain's running late evening shutdown)
BTW - the national www code for Denmark is .dk
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Aurora wrote:Bungard makes excellent products and machinery for small scale PCB production and prototyping. They are marketed over most of Europe.
I've been using Bungard products for prototyping for over 20 years, with good results.
Have never used the Alucorex, though. 3M used to have a similar product called ...... ( sorry - brain's running late evening shutdown)
BTW - the national www code for Denmark is .dk
OK, so de is Deutschland? :D
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yes,
.de is germany
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Looks like a text-book build. Nice work! +1 on those clips when you can get you friend lined up.

Cheers! 8)
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My buddy Andi recently completed the cab. I think he did a perfect job. 8)

A couple of days ago I managed to find some time for etching the faceplates. I'm very pleased with the performance of the Alucorex stuff.

Also I changed Gil's OD entrance mod for a smaller cap (roughly 6n). At the first tests the OD sounded great for our taste, much better than with the 47n cap.
The cleans are also fantastic. For whatever reason clearly better than the high plate version in the stombox preamp. We also fell in love with Gary's single tube reverb (thanks again btw!). Just the cleans with a bit of reverb...hmmm.... :D
Currently there are two 60s Philips ECC83 for clean and OD. No time so far to test other tubes.
Also the PI trim will need some attention. So far I couln't find any tube that gives me a sweet spot for max second order harmonics.
So I think I'll go for ears :wink:

We did some recordings yesterday. Will have to check them whether there is something you would want to hear :wink: (you can hear me playing bass LOL).

So, just some pics for the moment.
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