Reprise NOS Old Dale RN65D vs NEW Dale RN65D

[j0k3335]

I am really intrigued and impatient,
so when will we get the result, the truth?

Somewhere this week.

Thanks ... a little bit impatient

[norburybrook]

OK folks.



Here is a single file. It's Erwin's two different passes with the different resistors and I've made them into one file with it switching at random points between the two so a bit like if we had a toggle switch while he was playing.


Can anyone tell me at which point you are listening to 1 or 2?

I do not know which resistor is which as I only have the file names.

So listen through and tell me at which points the switch is flipped from one to the other and back again.

I will upload the screen grab at some point in the future so you can 'see' which is which

dale resistor test.mp3

M

[Bombacaototal]

Thanks a lot Marcus.

To my ears we have:
Sample1 from 0 seconds to 11 seconds then
Sample 2 from 11 seconds to 17 seconds
Sample 1 from 17 seconds to 23 seconds
Sample 2 from 23 to 30 seconds

But very subtle differences so hard to be really sure

[martin manning]

So there is no case where the same phrase is played from one sample and then the other back-to-back? That is IMO the best way to spot any difference.

[norburybrook]

So there is no case where the same phrase is played from one sample and then the other back-to-back? That is IMO the best way to spot any difference.

No it's just random switch flipping as if Erwin was playing and I flipped the switch while he was doing so at various points


M

[erwin_ve]

So there is no case where the same phrase is played from one sample and then the other back-to-back? That is IMO the best way to spot any difference.

No it's just random switch flipping as if Erwin was playing and I flipped the switch while he was doing so at various points


M

Although it may look kind of scientific I miss the point of having a baseline. If you're just listening to the single file differences maybe appaer a rolled off eq or compression or even pick attack differences.
As Im the one playing, I will give this a shot tomorrow.

[norburybrook]

this is completely blind which is why i like it.

Even if I were physically flipping a switch and you were the person in the room playing you'd know that a change had happened, doing it this way no one knows where the switch is flipped so it's a good test IMHO as there's no confirmation bias or expectation bias at, all it's blind test.


I also normalised each file so there was no level mismatch as even half a db can make a huge difference as louder always sounds 'better' in audio tests


M

[didit]

Hello --

Spent some time just now listening to the "wav" files using Transcribe, which made it super-easy to listen to same fragments from each recording. Inconclusive, but admittedly was rushed. I'll go at it again soon, and with my better IEM set.

Suggest Erwin if you can generally (ie not 100% but fairly accurately) pick out the unique segments from each in Marcus' patch up then it's clear something's here.

Best .. Ian

[Bombacaototal]

this is completely blind which is why i like it.

Even if I were physically flipping a switch and you were the person in the room playing you'd know that a change had happened, doing it this way no one knows where the switch is flipped so it's a good test IMHO as there's no confirmation bias or expectation bias at, all it's blind test.


I also normalised each file so there was no level mismatch as even half a db can make a huge difference as louder always sounds 'better' in audio tests


M

I dig the approach. It was surprising how much more difficult it was to distinguish between the resistros compared to listening to the separate recordings. Curious how far off I was on my estimtes

[j0k3335]

So there is no case where the same phrase is played from one sample and then the other back-to-back? That is IMO the best way to spot any difference.

this is what I have done "by hand" as I explained previously and it seems more revelating, more easy to note difference.

BUT, the test proposed by norburybrook could be fun and I will do it as soon as I have some time

[pompeiisneaks]

I actually could hear more of a difference that way marcus! I edited your post so i can just listen inline I'm lazy that way.

I can't say i still like one over the other, but there does seem to be more 'open' feeling to the notes on one of the two, if I can explain it that way? It's subtle, but kinda cool. OTOH, I don't see it worth massive extra cost in unobanium parts to get that subtle of a difference, unless I was massively wealthy (Also the ones I liked, in theory, could be the new stock ones, who knows? )

~Phil

[norburybrook]

I actually could hear more of a difference that way marcus! I edited your post so i can just listen inline I'm lazy that way.

I can't say i still like one over the other, but there does seem to be more 'open' feeling to the notes on one of the two, if I can explain it that way? It's subtle, but kinda cool. OTOH, I don't see it worth massive extra cost in unobanium parts to get that subtle of a difference, unless I was massively wealthy (Also the ones I liked, in theory, could be the new stock ones, who knows? )

~Phil

Ok, then can you tell us the points where it flips from 1 to 2 and back then? I'll give you a clue there are 21 1 to 2 flips throughout

actually to make it easier just say which sections are 1 and which are 2 no need to isolate the actual switch points


M

[pompeiisneaks]

I'll find time to go back to that later, I just was listening and have to work for a bit

~Phil

[drew]

Ok, then can you tell us the points where it flips from 1 to 2 and back then? I'll give you a clue there are 21 1 to 2 flips throughout

Listening on headphones, at around 00:12 and 00:18, I can hear a slight disturbance in the sound stream - are these edit points?

[Charlie Wilson]

Sorry I find all of this rather tedious and irritating. Nobody bother with NOS parts because they all sound just like new ones. That will leave more for Tony,Jelle,Gil, and I and all the other delusional people who think they can hear a difference. Having said that, I am glad Erwin likes them.
CW