The Dumble at lark street????

[ayan]

Gil,

One can take my post in many different ways you took it the wrong way, so be it. I'm not the kind of guy that gets unhappy. I'm a Marine so I'll adapt and overcome building my amps and having fun. Sure it will take me longer than you brainiacs to come up with my SSS, hopefully it will be a good playable amp.

Unhappy or upset, no way. This is the most fun I have had in many years, I now get a chance to do what I love building amps and playing guitar. I am guilty of wanting more information, not to commericalize or capitol gain, but rather to learn.

I did have your link and looked at those quite a while back, thanks.

Mark

Maybe I can get a couple of things right this time around:

1. You didn't actually mean to imply there was nothing wrong with some people choosing to not share stuff?

2. What you're looking for is a SSS schematic?

Nobody has more brains than anyone else here, IMHO. Nobody invented anything or discovered anything in their dreams. People were hipped to the work of someone else, it's as simple as that. It's a piece of cake to build a SSS with a schematic sitting in front of you, that is a guarantee.

If I am right about either 1 or 2 above, you may want to PM me. Direct communications works really well for me and once know what you want, I suspect I can probably at least point you in the right direction. Otherwise, as you put it, so be it.

Gil

[M Fowler]

You sure do like to argue, that is a given.

I'll just keep from making any comments from now on.

Just pretend I don't exist that shouldn't be that hard.

[ayan]

You sure do like to argue, that is a given.

I'll just keep from making any comments from now on.

Just pretend I don't exist that shouldn't be that hard.

I offered to help you in my last post. As far as whining goes, I can easily ignore that.

Cheers,

Gil

[BobW]

M Fowler, I agree with Andy and Gil. Unfortunately this forum has become an open source for commercial builders who profit from pulling knowledge without offering anything in return. Perhaps if you PMd a few of the senior members here with your preliminary work or circuit ideas, then maybe you would receive more help. However, after reading the SSS posts, there seems to be enough information here (#124, HRM, Bluesmaster, etc) and other book references to build it. Wafer switch tone controls are nothing new. If you are not looking to build a replica, have you considered, per a previous post, to incorporate a parametric eq?

[Structo]

I for one value everything some of the senior members and builders with a lot of experience share here.
I know it is a bit of a catch 22 because once the information is posted here it is available to all on the internet or at least to the members that want to capitalize on it.

Gil has made possible, in my mind, the ability to build one of the classic amps of all time and for that I would like to thank him.

Dogears, Funk, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head have also contributed a lot of useful advice.
I could have never been able to tweak my D'Lite more towards what a true D amp sounds like if not for their helpful and knowledgable information.

A few names have been mentioned that have gleaned info from here that have not contributed back to the forum in any way.
I wish there was a way to keep the information so only the hobbyists could benefit from it but I'm afraid that isn't possible unless it was a tight private forum, then where would the fun be in that.

Anyway, thanks to all that have shared freely, I truly appreciate it.
I have learn a huge amount about tube amps from this forum not just the one this section is dedicated to.

[tubedogsmith]

This is a great place!! tons of good info and for the most part good folks. there's always a couple asswipes just like everywhere else in the world. I can see how the shared info being used for gain by those who don't share pisses people off. But, the few that really get to me are the ones that came here and got started and never miss a chance to take a shot at the guys that fed them all the info. Brandon seems to be their favorite target. I'd guess it's because he's got it going on and they're just jealous. It really is tacky though and they sure know who they are.

[bigmik]

I for one value everything some of the senior members and builders with a lot of experience share here.
I know it is a bit of a catch 22 because once the information is posted here it is available to all on the internet or at least to the members that want to capitalize on it.

Gil has made possible, in my mind, the ability to build one of the classic amps of all time and for that I would like to thank him.

Dogears, Funk, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head have also contributed a lot of useful advice.
I could have never been able to tweak my D'Lite more towards what a true D amp sounds like if not for their helpful and knowledgable information.

A few names have been mentioned that have gleaned info from here that have not contributed back to the forum in any way.
I wish there was a way to keep the information so only the hobbyists could benefit from it but I'm afraid that isn't possible unless it was a tight private forum, then where would the fun be in that.

Anyway, thanks to all that have shared freely, I truly appreciate it.
I have learn a huge amount about tube amps from this forum not just the one this section is dedicated to.

very well said tom ,I couldn't agree more and would also like to say thank you guys for the information that has been shared.

regards
neil albury

[Chad]

I for one value everything some of the senior members and builders with a lot of experience share here.
I know it is a bit of a catch 22 because once the information is posted here it is available to all on the internet or at least to the members that want to capitalize on it.

Gil has made possible, in my mind, the ability to build one of the classic amps of all time and for that I would like to thank him.

Dogears, Funk, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head have also contributed a lot of useful advice.
I could have never been able to tweak my D'Lite more towards what a true D amp sounds like if not for their helpful and knowledgable information.

A few names have been mentioned that have gleaned info from here that have not contributed back to the forum in any way.
I wish there was a way to keep the information so only the hobbyists could benefit from it but I'm afraid that isn't possible unless it was a tight private forum, then where would the fun be in that.

Anyway, thanks to all that have shared freely, I truly appreciate it.
I have learn a huge amount about tube amps from this forum not just the one this section is dedicated to.

That is absolutely my feelings as well. I really wish I had half (even 1/4) of the knowledge as some of the folks here,but I'm learning. I am hooping to give back some that I have learned with a reply to a post but someone beats me to it or I am worried I could be wrong with my answer. I am in noway a commercial builder but have built several great D-Clone and T-wreck type amps all thanks to the fantastic people here at this great forum. My thanks to Brandon,Scott,Gil, Psycho(to many to list) and all for the fantastic pics,schemes,and post you all have generously gave to all here. Thank you again, Chad BTW Thank you Omar for starting this GREAT site and hope you are doing good...

[chimeboss]

Tag as a player did what a lot of builders here have not done...
which is buy a Dumble.
Granted his histrionics are legendary but he put up when it mattered and I'm sure he will be bombarded with all the amp groupies temptations.

That being said Ive never seen so much ass kissing on a open forum(TGP),
esp. from mods who banned him big time in the past.
Big suck factor going on

[dogears]

Well $50K does buy a lot of sucking.....

I had rehearsal lasty night and used my latest non HRM secret sauce recipe and it was so good I was crying. I am certain is woudl not onlyu hang with #183 but do some stuff that #183 doesn't do. I am going to get obver to Tag's to find out. He is about 90 minutes away.

Tag as a player did what a lot of builders here have not done...
which is buy a Dumble.
Granted his histrionics are legendary but he put up when it mattered and I'm sure he will be bombarded with all the amp groupies temptations.

That being said Ive never seen so much ass kissing on a open forum(TGP),
esp. from mods who banned him big time in the past.
Big suck factor going on

[thyx]

I just wanted to add my appreciation for the help from one electron, given in open forum, for my SSS project. (I hadn't seen his name in the thread.)

When I first began with the desire to build my own version of the amp (75-watt vs 150-watt, which is a whole 'nuther animal), I was looking for a schematic of the whole thing. At this point, I"m glad I never found it. Having to solve certain problems on my own makes me a lot better designer/builder than if somebody had just thrown a schematic at me. I'll certainly share some things about it here...when it's done.

Hindsight being 20/20, I think it's better, at least in some ways, not to know for certain 100% of the design...otherwise it's just a clone, and not really a design at all. Dumble himself "borrowed" so much from both Fender and Ampeg on that amp as it is, the SSS he built is really not much more of a truly original design than mine will end up being. Mine being as good or better...much more problematic I'm sure.

[Tonegeek]

Have you guys seen the discussion at TGP where Tag is obsessed with buying the tan dumble at lark street. He offered them 40k and they want 50k.

He says there is something in that dumble that isnt in other dumbles or the many clones he has.

So, Does anyone know the history of it and does it sound any better than the others?

He says it sounds nothing like the redplate, bludotone,GW,TW or any other.

What do the experts think?

I think it sounds similar to other "A list" Dumble and D clone recordings that I have heard. I like the sound, but no more or less than certain clips of amps built by Henry, Brandon, or Ayan. It may have "special circuitry" and although it knocks my socks off, it doesnt totally strip me naked. I do love that sound though and would ask if anyone knows what plate/cathode values it uses and what tone stack is employed?
thanks

[heisthl]

Have you guys seen the discussion at TGP where Tag is obsessed with buying the tan dumble at lark street. He offered them 40k and they want 50k.

He says there is something in that dumble that isnt in other dumbles or the many clones he has.

So, Does anyone know the history of it and does it sound any better than the others?

He says it sounds nothing like the redplate, bludotone,GW,TW or any other.

What do the experts think?

I think it sounds similar to other "A list" Dumble and D clone recordings that I have heard. I like the sound, but no more or less than certain clips of amps built by Henry, Brandon, or Ayan. It may have "special circuitry" and although it knocks my socks off, it doesnt totally strip me naked. I do love that sound though and would ask if anyone knows what plate/cathode values it uses and what tone stack is employed?
thanks

Wild guess but to my ears it sounds like a skyliner with 180k/120k plates on both V1 and V2(v2 w/270pf snubbers). I'm basing that guess on 6L6 tone and since it's el34's V1 may be 220k/150k.

[dr. who]

There are a lot of very helpful people on this forum. I think that there are builders here who nail the Dumble tone, and have the ability to make an amp that's voiced for the player. IMHO that's the true mastery of the Dumble circuitry.

[Structo]

Well $50K does buy a lot of sucking.....

I had rehearsal lasty night and used my latest non HRM secret sauce recipe and it was so good I was crying. I am certain is woudl not onlyu hang with #183 but do some stuff that #183 doesn't do. I am going to get obver to Tag's to find out. He is about 90 minutes away.

So Tag's is #183?

Where does that put it chronologically? Late 80's?

Is it all gooped up?