Guitarman18 wrote:Has anyone compared a Swamp and a Tonk in an open back 1x12 100K 50W combo? If so which one came out on top?
Cheers, Paul.
I was dissapointed in both of these speakers in a 1x12. The tonker was lacking any warmth in the bottom end and the swamp thang was lacking in the mids. Together they just came alive. I might have been break in as well because I never attempted any real break in, I just played.
If I was pushed to say which one came up on top, I'd say the swamp thang.
This thread has been great... it's inspiring me to do a 2x12 open-back to use up my 'spare' drivers (TonkerLite and RW&B) that came out of my TL806 cabs (now loaded with C-Rex and EV12L). Hopefully they will pair well (the RW&B isn't too bright and the T-Lite seems to have built-in 'presence').
This will be my first attempt at an open-back, so far I've noted:
Funkalicousgroove wrote:
oval back 2x12
28 x 21 x 12 1/4
Sounds AMAZING! It'll be a tad bright until you break them in, after that it will be super sweet and have fantastic definition with a punchy but full bass response.
Funkalicousgroove wrote: the Oval is Roughly 40% by 60% of the cab size, but I also had an Avatar with a Swamp and a Tonk, and the oval was much wider, and it sounded great. FWIW, I think the standard rectangular cutout would suffice and also sound great.
I went back to look at the pic's of Robben Ford's Dumble and I have a number of questions...
The vertical sides of the cabinet, front-view, are thicker... maybe twice as thick? Is this a piece of strapping (say 1x3) used to thicken those edges?
In one of the rear shots you can see the 1x1 on the bottom that clearly the speaker baffle is connected to. Unfortunately you can't see the vertical sides of the baffle in any of the shots... is this a floating baffle or is the baffle glued & screwed on all sides?
How thick and what kind of material (baltic birch ply?) should the baffle be?
Funkalicousgroove wrote:the Oval is Roughly 40% by 60% of the cab size, but I also had an Avatar with a Swamp and a Tonk, and the oval was much wider, and it sounded great. FWIW, I think the standard rectangular cutout would suffice and also sound great.
If RF's cab is 28x21, then finding the horizontal dimension of the cut out is relatively easy. If the width of the cab is 21'', using ratios it measures up at 9''.
The vertical dimension is not so easy to find due to the diverging verticals in the picture, but it looks to me as though the screws that hold the back panel on are spaced at roughly 4'' intervals. Also it seems as if the apex of the curve is almost in line with the second set of screws from the centre point, which translates to 8'' either side of the centre line. This gets us roughly to where we want to be.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Paul.
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mdroberts1243 wrote:...is this a floating baffle or is the baffle glued & screwed on all sides?
Thanks!
I'm very curious about this particular aspect as well. Viewing RF's cab from the front, the thicker long edge suggests to me that the cab may have been reinforced to compensate for a floating baffle.... or maybe it's just for extra strength on the long side...
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mdroberts1243 wrote:...is this a floating baffle or is the baffle glued & screwed on all sides?
Thanks!
I'm very curious about this particular aspect as well. Viewing RF's cab from the front, the thicker long edge suggests to me that the cab may have been reinforced to compensate for a floating baffle.... or maybe it's just for extra strength on the long side...
Yes that is curious. Maybe they are cleats that the grill is attached to from the rear?
Funkalicousgroove wrote:pretty sure all the baffles are 3/4" as well
The oval back one certainly looks like it is 3/4". I assume that would be pine (he says, thinking the rest of the cabinet is pine).
The picture of the front, with the rear mounted speakers, looks like the baffle is a bit thinner (the speaker doesn't seem too far back). 3/4" plywood would be heavy and so I was hoping the front baffle would be thinner!
however I see that Max has been asked to remove part of his posts due to copyright infringement.
Basically from what I remember, HAD didn't like birch ply or pine but favoured some sort of voidless lumber ply or something of that nature. To cut a long story short, not your regular suspects were used. Maybe someone who remembers the post a little more clearly could respond.
It was commented that he hates particle board, birch and other types of wood. Likes redwood for good sound but it's not durable. Preference was for something called mahogany lumber core, described as solid middle with thin veneer and no hollow spots. Spruce ply for head cabs.
Guitarman18 wrote:There was some good discussion on wood type used in cabs here:
however I see that Max has been asked to remove part of his posts due to copyright infringement.
Basically from what I remember, HAD didn't like birch ply or pine but favoured some sort of voidless lumber ply or something of that nature. To cut a long story short, not your regular suspects were used. Maybe someone who remembers the post a little more clearly could respond.
or something of that nature. To cut a long story short, not your regular suspects were used. Maybe someone who remembers the post a little more clearly could respond.
