SSS - Nukular Warhead - Chassis are Finished

[Max]

Does the SSS filter controls have inductors

As far as I know: Yes

What the filters do in regard of the tone I posted in the SSS thread.

Cheers

Max

[txbluesboy]

I couldn't see any inductors in the pic I saw, and it has been discussed before that inductors in a guitar amp are probably not a good thing to have since they are little like little antennas. I could be wrong, I have been many times before, but I don't think HAD used inductors.

[Max]

A Passive Filter Response Calculator to make the hi/lo filter component selection easier

Hi FuzzFaceBuilder,

I am not a tech, but as far as I know those filters are active (LC/RC).

Cheers

Max

[tictac]

Here's what I found in RDH4...

[M Fowler]

rj,

Nice job on the chassis and plates.

Wow you Dumble guys have a mess in that files section you have to be a Dumble historian to figure out what is what. Yes I admit I know nothing about Dumbles. Even the names are unfamiliar to me and so many what the hey!

I guess I have a lot of work ahead of me to build this amp rj, wish me luck. I will put it in on a shelf until I build my trainwreck Express in head style this time not combo.

Mark

[Max]

The switches are 6 position

Hi Brandon,

are you sure about this?

That's how I remember:

300SL: 6 positions
SSS 100 + 150: 7 positions
DL 150: 7 positions
One specimen of DL 150: 10 positions (NOT eleven as I once posted!! Obviously I'm not the best in counting positions!!)

But as far as I remember now, there are amps in witch one of the positions is a "not active" one (tube still active of course).

Have a nice weekend

Max

[dr. who]

So do all of the filters have a switch-setting where there isn't any change to the sound?

Could you take a smaller tranny and make a 4x6v6 SSS style amp?

[FuzzFaceBuilder]

Hey all,
I think that in MY (and our) attempt to keep "accurate" (I/we) miss some of the larger picture. Which is that we should strive for the thing(s) HAD did. (referencing the older thread here on the forum). He built all kinds of DL's/SSS/ODS etc. with the intention of suiting the amp to the player. So much so that he often borrowed the guitar the artist would be playing to fine tune the amp he built.

So do all of the filters have a switch-setting where there isn't any change to the sound?

Could you take a smaller tranny and make a 4x6v6 SSS style amp?

@Dr. Who: In my limited understanding, a lot if the SSS character is based on two things, the post PI CF and the tone characteristics of the 6550's. It would be great to see a smaller SSS that didn't tear the paint off the walls !

FWIW, I have an Omega Modded HRDeville that Jim made into a Mini SSS head. To say it'll do SRV (w/TS808), EJ (w/NPN Fuzz Face and MXR flanger in the loop), Lindley (w/Purple Peaker clone) etc. is an understatement and No Step Filters! Thanks a MILLION Jim (it's a long ways to Honolulu)!

Take care,
Hale

[Max]

So do all of the filters have a switch-setting where there isn't any change to the sound?

No.

Nice weekend

Max

[Max]

Could you take a smaller tranny and make a 4x6v6 SSS style amp?

Depends on what you would call a "SSS style amp".

On Bill Morgans site you find a "Data-Sheet" for SSS.

In this "data-sheet" you find a kind of an introduction of Mr. Dumble, where he describes what the SSS is supposed to do.

Cheers

Max

[dr. who]

I am asking about the quad of 6v6 in a SSS style because I have a friend who doesn't play gigs big enough for a stadium amp.

[Max]

I am asking about the quad of 6v6 in a SSS style because I have a friend who doesn't play gigs big enough for a stadium amp.

All the SSS I know of had a Master Volume.

Great weekend

Max

[dr. who]

Hey Max there were ODS in 150 watt, 100 watt with 4x el34 or 6l6, 50 watt- some with 2x6l6 and some with 6v6 that were switchable down to 25 watts. There are SSS with 6l6 and some with 6550. I don't think that there's any reason that once the topography and values are known for specific amps that it couldn't be modified to make a studio 6v6 SSS. I would hope it has a master as well. I want to personally thank you for the information that you have provided on the subject of these amps and I hope that you will continue to do so in the future.
-The Doc

[Max]

Hi Doc,

You asked in one of your previous posts:

"Could you take a smaller tranny and make a 4 x 6V6 SSS style amp?"

Now you give the answer to your own question:

I don't think that there's any reason that once the topography and values are known for specific amps that it couldn't be modified to make a studio 6v6 SSS.

That's right:

Any amp can be modified and there would be a of lot of arguments to call a Marshall a "Bassman-style" amp. But I think it would become a long thread if you would start a discussion of the topic: "Is a Bluesbraker a "Bassman-style" amp in regard of their character as a musical instrument"?

My personal advise:

Perhaps it woud be a good idea to do step 6 after step 1. That's how I think it could be done (IMHO):

1. Look out for someone who owns a SSS or DL, that you like in regard of his character as a musical instrument and who gives you the possibility to A/B from time to time. This may take some time and a perhaps a lot of travels, but if you are really committed, you will succeed some day.

2. Try to understand - in a technical sense - what makes this amp that special, that you have such a joy to play with it. This again may take a lot of time, but believe me, if you are really committed and study and learn your stuff you will find out some day.

3. Test your guesses in regard of the technical aspects of this specimen of a SSS/DL that you really like by building amps based on your guesses and constantly A/B your own builds with the one you like so much.

4. As long as you like the original better and have more fun playing it: Try to understand, in a technical sense, why you still prefer the original, what could be the technical reasons for this. Again this may take a lot of time but your "guesses" will become better.

5. After some weeks or month or years the day will come, you like your own build as well or perhaps even better as the original. If this is not a happy accident but a result of the fact that at least you understood what made this beloved original SSS/DL so special for your ears and feel: Put your glorious build on the shelf and never touch it again with an iron! After this you don't need to A/B with the original anymore as you can A/B with the one on your shelf.

6. If your success is really a result of understanding and not mimicking: Throw away the ladder! In this process of "cloning" a SSS/DL you will have become a musical instrument builder who knows why an amps sounds as it does. You will no not only know THAT the tone is different if you change a resistor from metal to carbon film, you will know WHY. And as such a person you perhaps will find cloning other designs dull and perhaps prefer to make your own dreams come true. And thats how I would spell "fun" (IMHO).

If you are really a committed guy and perhaps even like it sportive: Take the hard road. Don't even open the original SSS/DL after you found one for the A/B process. Use your wits, the books, www, your fingers, your heart and try to do it without a schematic. Of course this is the harder way but the benefits in regard of "having fun" will perhaps be great.

Wouldn't it be real "fun" to - once upon the time - build John Mayer's (he's young enough) dream amp and after recovering from the first shock John asks: "And where did you hide the tubes?"

Have a great time and all the best

Max

[FuzzFaceBuilder]

Hey all,
I guess the next SSS "trait" to be tackled would be the "sing" (or gain/LNFB?) circuitry. I can't explain this to the extent that I'd like to (or even understand for that matter!), but what I can do is post this picture that is credited to Doug Roccaforte as the pre amp section of SRV's second (blackface) SSS. Nothing special really stands out except for the lack of LNFB loops for less "sing" in the pre section. The rest seems pretty straight forward. IMHO, here is an opportunity to get inside SRV's 1989/1990 ACL tone!

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Hope this helps,
Hale