bludotone w/scott lerner

[JamesO]

Scott, I'm totally rethinking my current build because of the sound of your amp in the video! It's perfect for me.

[makrisp]

For the record, I had a dozen guys over today for an ampfest. The Carol Ann did hold its own. It did not "eat" the Bludos. However, the big disappointment was the 50 watt Ceriatone OTS. It sounded small and compressed.

So Paul is half right. Carol Ann is good.... But Ceriatone, in this case, was played maybe 10 minutes as the mob rule moved it off the stack.

Scott,

At least we half agree.. Your Bludo does sound killer! Will I ever get it for a few days........... Well I can dream.......

Cheers!

[JImmyD]

For the record, I had a dozen guys over today for an ampfest. The Carol Ann did hold its own. It did not "eat" the Bludos. However, the big disappointment was the 50 watt Ceriatone OTS. It sounded small and compressed.

So Paul is half right. Carol Ann is good.... But Ceriatone, in this case, was played maybe 10 minutes as the mob rule moved it off the stack.

Now Scott, let's not rewrite history just yet. Since I was one of the dozen guys plus the owner of the Ceriatone OTS there today let me help remind you what the biggest disappointments were.

Without naming names, one amp only got played three minutes and was rendered exposed due to excessive squealing. Class A my ass, that expensive POS was, well a POS! Later a certain signature series amp (probably costing 7 times more then my OTS) was essentially panned by all as "brite and horrible sounding and a victim of intermodulation distortion" or worse. Also remember that fancy little amp in your kitchen wasn't sounding good at all. That one was played what maybe two minutes tops. Those were equally big disappointments. What's up with these "boutique" amps not being ready for prime time? That is three seperate amps folks, count 'em.

My OTS was played for about four minutes total after being barraged by 100 watt beasts so of course it was small sounding. Now I admit I was disappointed as it sounded so much better with your Svetlana Winged C's the previous time we played it. To be honest, we should have tried it with a couple other cabinets, but I guess that was not to be today. There was no "mob rule" that moved it off the stack. My amp did sound overly compressed (almost Fuchs 30 like?) today. I never heard that degree of compression out of the amp before. I wonder how that happened since I wasn't piloting the ship. I'll be checking that out extensively tomorrow as I'm taking a vacation day.

Actually I figured out what happened after sleeping on this. Only Galo (great emotive player) played the OTS. He lives on the neck pickup with the tone pot partially rolled off. Scott sets the amps for the lead tone on the bridge pickup tone wide open. 50 watts vs. 100 is gonna react differently in that situation. Bottom line is we should have spent more time sussing out what we were hearing. Unfortunately it was dismissed too quickly as being "matter of fact" just plain bad. That wasn't really fair now was it, especially when we both heard some amazing tones just a couple weeks previous.

On a positive note, as to what I liked hearing today was the aggressive in your face open sounding Carol Ann (smokin' amp), the Fuchs combo (very good, very good) and the Pure 64 had some seriously happening clean tones. Fuchs Clean Machine with a Zendrive was pretty authentic RF tones.

I'm glad I attended, met some wonderful folk and was exposed to some real tasty licks and expensive guitars. Scott of course has chops and then some, your friend Pinner (Steve) plays real nice lines and ideas as well. Hearing that is sending me to the shed.

Peace,
Jim D

[makrisp]

Scott,


Here we go again...........................

Are you telling me you were comparing a 50 watt Ceriatone ODS to a competitiver 100 watt model beast??????????????????


You know better than that..................................


50 watters vs 50 watters.............100 watters vs. 100watters

[jelle]

What do all those dots mean?

[dogears]

Hey Jimmy, for whatever reason, the OTS did not sound as good as last time for me. Still a great value. It was a little more compressed than the Fuchs 50 mod. I went through that after our last get together and rewired a bunch of stuff. It fattened it dramatically. Maybe it is tubes... Yesterday, I did not find it as open as either the 30 or 50. THe 30 is cathode biased so its compression is a different type of compression.

Doesn't take away from its value though..... How does it sound at home? Is it the same as always?

Bummer about the high dollar amps not being right. I need to check out the pretty wood new one a bit too.... The volume was quite low. I will call the builder today.

For the record, I had a dozen guys over today for an ampfest. The Carol Ann did hold its own. It did not "eat" the Bludos. However, the big disappointment was the 50 watt Ceriatone OTS. It sounded small and compressed.

So Paul is half right. Carol Ann is good.... But Ceriatone, in this case, was played maybe 10 minutes as the mob rule moved it off the stack.

Now Scott, let's not rewrite history just yet. Since I was one of the dozen guys plus the owner of the Ceriatone OTS there today let me help remind you what the biggest disappointments were.

Without naming names, one amp only got played three minutes and was rendered exposed due to excessive squealing. Class A my ass, that expensive POS was, well a POS! Later a certain signature series amp (probably costing 7 times more then my OTS) was essentially panned by all as "brite and horrible sounding and a victim of intermodulation distortion" or worse. Also remember that fancy little amp in your kitchen wasn't sounding good at all. That one was played what maybe two minutes tops. Those were equally big disappointments. What's up with these "boutique" amps not being ready for prime time? That is three seperate amps folks, count 'em.

My OTS was played for about four minutes total after being barraged by 100 watt beasts so of course it was small sounding. Now I admit I was disappointed as it sounded so much better with your Svetlana Winged C's the previous time we played it. To be honest, we should have tried it with a couple other cabinets, but I guess that was not to be today. There was no "mob rule" that moved it off the stack. My amp did sound overly compressed (almost Fuchs 30 like?) today. I never heard that degree of compression out of the amp before. I wonder how that happened since I wasn't piloting the ship. I'll be checking that out extensively tomorrow as I'm taking a vacation day.

Actually I figured out what happened after sleeping on this. Only Galo (great emotive player) played the OTS. He lives on the neck pickup with the tone pot partially rolled off. Scott sets the amps for the lead tone on the bridge pickup tone wide open. 50 watts vs. 100 is gonna react differently in that situation. Bottom line is we should have spent more time sussing out what we were hearing. Unfortunately it was dismissed too quickly as being "matter of fact" just plain bad. That wasn't really fair now was it, especially when we both heard some amazing tones just a couple weeks previous.

On a positive note, as to what I liked hearing today was the aggressive in your face open sounding Carol Ann (smokin' amp), the Fuchs combo (very good, very good) and the Pure 64 had some seriously happening clean tones. Fuchs Clean Machine with a Zendrive was pretty authentic RF tones.

I'm glad I attended, met some wonderful folk and was exposed to some real tasty licks and expensive guitars. Scott of course has chops and then some, your friend Pinner (Steve) plays real nice lines and ideas as well. Hearing that is sending me to the shed.

Peace,
Jim D

[dogears]

I had three lower powered amps on the stack. My Glaswerks, the FUchs 30 and Fuchs 50. Last time Jimmy was over, I thought the OTS held its own better. Something seemed off yesterday. That is all. Nothing sinister in my comments. We'll get together and retube soon and maybe that is it....

Scott,


Here we go again...........................

Are you telling me you were comparing a 50 watt Ceriatone ODS to a competitiver 100 watt model beast??????????????????


You know better than that..................................


50 watters vs 50 watters.............100 watters vs. 100watters

[JImmyD]

Hey Jimmy, for whatever reason, the OTS did not sound as good as last time for me. Still a great value.

I have to run out for a bit, but I'll play it later this morning. If an amp sounds like poo it is not a great value in my book. Yes my amp did not show well, that was pretty freaking strange to keep it honest. A more thorough report later.

We're cool,
Jim

[Funkalicousgroove]

Makrisp wrote:

But...........That Carol Ann will eat it up for breakfast.....thats my humble opinion!

This thread was about a new video/audio clip of a Bludotone amp of interest to everyone on this board and some great playing by Scott.

It is unfortunate that in the recent thread regarding the Ceriatone HRM amp it degenerated into something other than a discussion of that topic, for which you were partly responsible. It appears from your posts in that thread you even realized that point. Your comment above serves no purpose other than to inject into this thread the very behavior you so recently criticized.

What a disappointment to find the same thing happening here in the same day. Perhaps you should revisit your previous posts on the subject.

Makrisp wrote:

Please....this thread was about the Ceriatone HRM...no more, no less...... Look at who started bashing Nik............ All I asked was it to stop......

Bottom line.......my line was to stop the bashing. The rest is white noise.

Makrisp wrote:

Did not really want to get into the discussion of building a dumbleator.....my point as well as others including yourself was the bashing of Nik. It's totally classless and un-called for and should stop.

Well, I guess we now can move forward.

It would be nice if you would!! Apparently you didn't realize you were the only one left behind.

Rob,

I am being honest, the Bludo sounds killer in that video...actually awesome, but the Carol Ann OD will give that amp a run for it's money. That is not a bull comment...sorry you do not like the answer.

As far as Scotty's playing......it kicks butt. Incredible player and wish I had his chops.

They don't sound even remoteley alike, what is your comment based on? You haven't played my amps, nor have you played them in the same room as a Carol Ann- so there is no merit of any kind to your little comments-why are you being a hater?

[les_guitar]

Scotty can really burn up that fret board!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But...........That Carol Ann will eat it up for breakfast.....thats my humble opinion!

Please! Let's not make the Amp Garage turn into The Gear Page.

[Funkalicousgroove]

Well, this fellow just happens to be the great NFB from the gear page. Since he was banned there I guess he's decided to come over here and start spewing his oral diharrea about how all these other amps are better than mine, about how I'm making too much profit (maybe he works for UNICEF?- I got bills to pay myself) about how his Carol Ann will Smoke my amps, about how I Bash Nik- but I don't, I simply state truthful events that led to the release of his amp, and make note of the fact that he contributes nothing here, yet looks here for Ideas for his next model.

['67_Plexi]

Scotty can really burn up that fret board!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But...........That Carol Ann will eat it up for breakfast.....thats my humble opinion!

Please! Let's not make the Amp Garage turn into The Gear Page.

As soon as comments about one amp sounding better than other come out, all negativity breaks loose. It's f*****g amplifiers people, get a grip !!! Everyone has an opinion, you don't have to like it.
The above comment is amusing, especially if you had any idea how many infractions I've had over there. I've had my fair share of war storys and outright attempts to sabotage on TGP as well as positive comments.

Brandon, in the most respectful way, I'm now at the happy place where I don't give a shit if people think someone elses amp sounds better than one I've built or visa versa....music is not a competitive sport, neither is amp building. THey are opinions, their opinions, regardless if they are fair, you agree with them or you disagree with them. Don't feel you need to defend yourself, as soon as you do things get worse. At least thats what I've found.
Myself and Gary laugh about it all the time when people put our amps up against each other. Who gives a crap, really ?
If people call me wanting an exact Dumble clone or to sound like Robben, I will happily (and do) send them your way in the same way I send people to Allyn Myers if I get requests for TW clones. You guys are very similar to me and provide a service that many full time amp builders don't.
Anyway, peace bro !! You'll never hear me making comments about my amps sounding better than someone elses. I promise that.

Paul, you're a good guy, don't stir a bees nest, it can make you look very different to how you really are

Alan.

[les_guitar]

Scotty can really burn up that fret board!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But...........That Carol Ann will eat it up for breakfast.....thats my humble opinion!

Please! Let's not make the Amp Garage turn into The Gear Page.

As soon as comments about one amp sounding better than other come out, all negativity breaks loose. It's f*****g amplifiers people, get a grip !!! Everyone has an opinion, you don't have to like it.

I have no problem with anyone's opinion about their amp preference. But, in this thread and other threads, there is a *not so hidden agenda* being revealed that is inappropriate for this forum, IMHO. The Carol Ann will eat is up for breakfast, is that a non-biased opinion? Sounds a bit aggressive to me, and by a poster who I doubt has even compared the amps (which as you know are quite different). The poster has an issue with Brandon, which he chooses to expose in a public forum in a passive aggressive manor, which isn't appropriate IMHO.

Really, Alan I expected a bit more maturity from you...

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Guys:

Let's not turn this into The Gear Page indeed ! It was simply an informal non-scientific gathering of gearheads to compare amps, speakers, guitars and hot sauce....

The problem with all these localized tonefests (and internet videos) is that there are all kinds of variables that people don't have the time correct, chose to ignore, or use in an attempt to push a political agenda.

I was on the fence about going, as I wanted honest opinions, not biased by the builder being there. I thought my gear made a good showing, and I tried to be constructive and not make any comments someone would think were because I was a competitor to any amps there.

The Carol Ann sounded very good. Loud, punchy and a nice grind. It was EL-34's, and of course that contributed to certain aspects of the tone. There were some interesting harmonics in the overdrive that IMHO would be great for certain players (slider players come to mind), but others might not have liked. I heard nobody say "it's a bad amp".

Many of the other amps were not EL-34's (they were mostly 6L6's), which would make things certainly not the most even comparison. Was it "better" or "worse" than other amps there ? Not imho.

The Ceriatone did sound somewhat small and boxy (most people noticed and acknowledged this). The amp which followed was the 30-W Fuchs which did sound louder, cleaner and more punchy. It was not a direct comparison to a 100-W anything. It was a somewhat fair comparison.

Here's the "catch" we don't know whether the Ceriatone (or anything else) was malfunctioning. It's not like a NASCAR race where every car is assumed to be running perfectly. We did not have the time to start pulling tubes, measuring bias or trying to repair anything. It would have been nice to have more than one C-tone there for a "control". There were multiple Fuchs', Bludo's etc.

The Sterling clearly didn't sound "right". The owner agreed. I looked forward to hearing it, as I'd heard so much about it, and have not heard an SSS in a really long time. It was anticlimactic. We all agreed it must have had issues as well. It sounded small (downright boxy), there was a notch distortion (sounded like a bad power tube or severe under biasing to my ears), accompanied by an odd "shimmer" on the high end that would not be dialed out....again, we didn't spend a whole lot of time, nor did we take anything apart to start trouble shooting.

The 65 sounded really nice in the kitchen (cool reverb !), but there was a strong low frequency "choking" with humbuckers at high volume. We did not explore speaker matching (it was an Austin speaker in a closed box, which I'm not sure was a great match for the speaker). We didn't publish any bashing, we moved on.

The Red Iron amp was unique looking, but again, was missing lots of gain (it had three octal tubes in it, so you would assume it should have had more), and it had a hum that just didn't seem like it was behaving right.

In the interest of time, we moved on from amps we thought could be possibly unfairly misjudged, due to questionable performance. My ride had gotten there at around 12.00 and had to leave by 3.30, so I don't know what happened after we left.

['67_Plexi]

Please! Let's not make the Amp Garage turn into The Gear Page.

As soon as comments about one amp sounding better than other come out, all negativity breaks loose. It's f*****g amplifiers people, get a grip !!! Everyone has an opinion, you don't have to like it.

I have no problem with anyone's opinion about their amp preference. But, in this thread and other threads, there is a *not so hidden agenda* being revealed that is inappropriate for this forum, IMHO. The Carol Ann will eat is up for breakfast, is that a non-biased opinion? Sounds a bit aggressive to me, and by a poster who I doubt has even compared the amps (which as you know are quite different). The poster has an issue with Brandon, which he chooses to expose in a public forum in a passive aggressive manor, which isn't appropriate IMHO.

Really, Alan I expected a bit more maturity from you...

Dude, it wasn't me that said it...lmao !! I'm writing this as I'm having a cool conversation with Brandon on the phone....now thats ironic !!