D'lator question

[scotto]

I'm using a Quadraverb GT in my effects loop and it has level controls for signal in and out. This works fine if the signal coming into it is relatively constant, but if I set the levels for a clean sound, it doesn't match up well when I engage my PAB. It clips. Will any of the D'lators help with this? Just for curiosity I put a Carl Martin Compressor in front of the Quadraverb and it controled the levels at both PAB off and on settings enough to tame the clipping but didn't sound very good there (no suprise).

[ayan]

I'm using a Quadraverb GT in my effects loop and it has level controls for signal in and out. This works fine if the signal coming into it is relatively constant, but if I set the levels for a clean sound, it doesn't match up well when I engage my PAB. It clips. Will any of the D'lators help with this? Just for curiosity I put a Carl Martin Compressor in front of the Quadraverb and it controled the levels at both PAB off and on settings enough to tame the clipping but didn't sound very good there (no suprise).

I don't know much about the Quadraverb, however, what I do with my rig is set the signal level such that at maximum -- which in my case is clean + PAB -- I don't clip the input of my FX unit. That necessarily means that when the PAB is off I will not have as high a signal level as I could, which may mean signal-to-noise ratio is not optimal... But, nothing else one can do. That is, unless you set your tone controls higher such that when you hit the PAB you don't get as high a level jump.

Cheers,

Gil

[les_guitar]

Gil,

Just curious...

Do you tend to play clean with PAB on most of the time? or..

Do you use both clean with PAB and clean w/o PAB too?

Lately, I have been really enjoying clean with PAB and it seems a bit flat when I just use clean.

Thanks,

Les

[scotto]

Thanks Gil. I had tried that and as you pointed out, the signal coming in with PAB off was now sub-optimal. The Quadraverb has multiple green leds followed by a red one to indicate clipping. No PAB wouldn't even give one green led and sounded kind of choked.

[ayan]

Thanks Gil. I had tried that and as you pointed out, the signal coming in with PAB off was now sub-optimal. The Quadraverb has multiple green leds followed by a red one to indicate clipping. No PAB wouldn't even give one green led and sounded kind of choked.

I guess the Quad has a smaller dynamic range than my Intellifex then, because I can set the sensitivity level to where I get yellow with PAB, but plenty of green without.

To answer your other question, I play mostly clean, or OD with and w/o PAB. I don't think I ever use clean + PAB, but I set things such that if I do I will not get that horrible distortion resulting from overdriving the input of a digital box.

Gil

[scotto]

Gil,

I have an old intellifex that I'm not using. I'll give that a go without the quadraverb.

Thanks!
Scott

[ayan]

Gil,

I have an old intellifex that I'm not using. I'll give that a go without the quadraverb.

Thanks!
Scott

I have tried many FX units and the Intellifex rocks, primarily because it keeps an analog version of the dry signal (whereas many other units A/D your signal right off the bat, and that colors the sound pretty badly). Barring going to a TC 2290 for delay PLUS somethis else for reverb, I cannot see doing better than the old trust Intellifex. Gary J. mentioned a new Rocktron unit which pretty much carries the Intellifex's flag and sounds very nice. However, being "frugal" as I am, I can't see spending more than $150, which is how much an I/F will set you back.

Gil

[heisthl]

Gil - aren't you using some sort of Dumbleator? Or are you just using preamp out/poweramp in?

[Bob-I]

[I have tried many FX units and the Intellifex rocks, primarily because it keeps an analog version of the dry signal (whereas many other units A/D your signal right off the bat, and that colors the sound pretty badly). Gil

That's why I decided to build a D-Lator with a parallel buffered loop. The signal color I was getting from the Quadraverb is non-existant with this parallel loop. I run the QVerb at 100% effect and mix using the D-Lator.

[scotto]

Intellifex seems to work fine as per Gil. I'll miss the programable EQ of the Qverb though. I'm on the list for a D'lator. Worth a try and I'm curious about how it works. My preferred loop path is Qverb with 2 Chandler echoes in the Qverb loop. Works great with my Glandmaster and Duncan Convertible. Not sure when the D'lator will be built.