Commercial ventures

[jjman]

Is chimeboss the same person as Mooreamps or not?

[Allynmey]

Is chimeboss the same person as Mooreamps or not?

no

[Andy Le Blanc]

im suprised this thread is still going....... the problem is that no matter what
an amp is an amp and thats all it is...... they might as well be sewing machines
you love em..... I love em....but there really hasn't been much by the way of
something new since the transistor began to enter the market place.....
ya got to ask......"why"..... elevate one designers approach.....
is it a desperate search for a hero...... or a celebration of an entrepreneur
who had the right idea at the right time......

[Pongo316]

Isn't coppying a form of respect and acknloegment , I would be more than happy to send % to Ken's family for every build that I copy , if it wasn't for his design in the first place I couldn't try and replicate a wreck.

But I wonder if Marshall is doing the same for Fender etc

Just my opinion.

I suppose the bigest compliment we could pay is send % or a dollar amont to Kens family and lable our amps Inspired by Ken TW .

Hell I'll do it now if some one gives me the details that I can confirm.

I don't mind as long as Kens family is getting looked after, for his efforts.

[smokin' tone]

I would be more than happy to send % to Ken's family for every build that I copy , if it wasn't for his design in the first place I couldn't try and replicate a wreck.

Don't waste your time. They wouldn't appreciate it.

[Firestorm]

Wait a minute while I slip on my Chief Justice's robes ... aaahh ... that's better.


There are two rules that apply in this case: the ethical rules, governed by the extent to which we are willing to interfere with someone's livelihood by using his or her ideas without permission; and the legal rules, governed by United States Patent Law.

With respect to the former (the ethical rules), this Court has always held that is is unethical for a builder to appropriate the unique ideas of another active builder for competitive purposes. Clearly, Mr. Fischer is no longer actively engaged in the production of amplifiers, so these rules do not apply.

With respect to the latter (the legal rules), at no time did Mr. Fischer apply for a patent on his unique tonestack, nor on his unique coupling of the Tone Recovery Stage to the third preamp stage. Had he done so in 1983 or 1984 when these designs first came to market, the patent would have, as of this date, already expired.

Although trademarks and copyrights do survive their original grantees, and hence the name "Trainwreck Circuits" and its variants remain protected, this Court finds no ethical or legal impediment to the production and sale of amplifiers employing crciuits originally designed by Mr. Ken Fischer.

It is so ordered.


...and now back to my usual role as as solder-sniffing chassis jockey.

[chimeboss]

when you know damn well how Ken felt about commercial cloning.

I can only assume this is a do as I say, not a do as I do thing.

Chime Boss, the Rocket is a rip off of an AC-30. Hard to cry foul of a crime you yourself have committed!

As far as making money from all of this, I'm actual down cash building stuff to provide guidance for the group.

Chime Boss have a good read of your past posts, very little content there!

Perhaps it is time you hung up your cue here.

BTW, No pananoia here, don't care who you think you are. I've just had enough of a guy with a big mouth and not much else to back it up, again have a look at your own words, it's all there.

Hi Mark
If your ever stateside I'll buy you a pint or two.
I aint such a bad guy.
This place has a great heritage but needs a disenting voice regarding ethics every once in awhile to keep things interesting.
Its definately a love fest back patting wink wink thing and thats okay.
No doubt a number of people here will become great amp builders in their own right. More power to you all.
Ive seen some incredible layouts here and stunning woodwork as well.
IMHO the soundclips have been a weak point but I'm sure that will improve over time.

BTW For those keeping score my initials are not GS and I've never been banned from any forum.


cb

[Pongo316]

So were all cool now

[Mark]

Dear Pongo316

Not really.

I agree with Chime Boss in so far as it is annoying to see good ideas pouched. Though I stand by my statement if you've ripped off someone elses circuit don't cry foul. So here I guess I disagree with Chime Boss.

This site is about building amps, as a hobby, learning electronics and developing ideas though experimentation. Should you develop a product along the way, all well and good.

What I want know is, will Chime Boss start posting up layouts, recommending circuit changes and mods he himself has found to work?
I'll go even further, I would be happy if he discussed one of his builds here and asked for advice.

Then I will be most happy to buy Chime Boss a beer if he should come to Australia.

[Pongo316]

Hey Mark you Down under too

great place here, learnt alot wish I could contribute more but I need to do some more time with the iron

Like I tell the kids theres three sides to every story Yours , mine and the truth.

i think as long as we respect , it should all work out.

Not sure who chimeboss is , but I'm sure he is entitle to his point of veiw and has a valid point in some respects.

Any way its good to be aboard , I'm going to enjoy the ride

Maybe I could buy you a beer

[tubetek]

"three sides to every story Yours , mine and the truth."
Hey, Pongo316, nice "EXTREME" reference...Reminded me of just how great a player Nuno Bettencourt was/is and how good a lyricist/singer Gary Cherone was pre his Van Halen mistake!
Tom

[smokin' tone]

Like I tell the kids theres three sides to every story Yours , mine and the truth.

Not sure who chimeboss is , but I'm sure he is entitle to his point of veiw and has a valid point in some respects.

I'm going to agree with Mark on this one.

[Pongo316]

"three sides to every story Yours , mine and the truth."
Hey, Pongo316, nice "EXTREME" reference.
Tom

Tom your right , I have lifted it from Extreme , but it gets the point across

Great band or they where untill they disbanded , shame.

[Noel Grassy]

Wait a minute while I slip on my Chief Justice's robes ... aaahh ... that's better.


There are two rules that apply in this case: the ethical rules, governed by the extent to which we are willing to interfere with someone's livelihood by using his or her ideas without permission; and the legal rules, governed by United States Patent Law.

With respect to the former (the ethical rules), this Court has always held that is is unethical for a builder to appropriate the unique ideas of another active builder for competitive purposes. Clearly, Mr. Fischer is no longer actively engaged in the production of amplifiers, so these rules do not apply.

With respect to the latter (the legal rules), at no time did Mr. Fischer apply for a patent on his unique tonestack, nor on his unique coupling of the Tone Recovery Stage to the third preamp stage. Had he done so in 1983 or 1984 when these designs first came to market, the patent would have, as of this date, already expired.

Although trademarks and copyrights do survive their original grantees, and hence the name "Trainwreck Circuits" and its variants remain protected, this Court finds no ethical or legal impediment to the production and sale of amplifiers employing crciuits originally designed by Mr. Ken Fischer.

It is so ordered.

I'm so glad I got to read this Firestorm. One get's the impression you really do have the robes. I'd use your succinct legalese for my sig in the halls of TGP but it would most likely hasten my being eventually banned.

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Chimegold, what are you wearing to the "Walk on Water" fest this year?
Not that pathetically dismal halo made from "coat-hang wire" again!
3 years and still flaming.
...enchanting, sir.
XOX