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Pentode / Triode switch

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Looking for a Plan to install a pentode /Triode switch in a Traynor YBA-3
anyone done this ?
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Why?
These amps where made to be power houses so if you want to change that your starting out with the wrong amp in the first place!

To me such a mod is like taking a 120k Lamborghini and neutering it down into a moped!
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Stevem wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:28 amWhy?
To reduce power and output.
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Sell it to someone who wants it as is and get yourself a lesser wattage amp, or build yourself one, or get a load attenuator box, or build a load attenuator box.

Another way to go since that chassis has so much real estate would be to put in a London power power scaling kit.
With one of these you can get the amp down to all of 5 watts if you care to and are fully reversible.

99% of players who convert a Pentode output stage to Triode don’t like it.
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Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Stevem wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:45 am Sell it to someone who wants it as is and get yourself a lesser wattage amp, or build yourself one, or get a load attenuator box, or build a load attenuator box.

Another way to go since that chassis has so much real estate would be to put in a London power power scaling kit.
With one of these you can get the amp down to all of 5 watts if you care to and are fully reversible.

99% of players who convert a Pentode output stage to Triode don’t like it.
THat sounds like an option. Where Do I get those ?
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Never mind, found them
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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Stevem wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:45 am .....99% of players who convert a Pentode output stage to Triode don’t like it.
Agree- I have a Juke amp, 2 power tubes (usually 6L6 or El34) with a built in pentode/triode switch. It Functions well electrically- the builder, Gary Crocteau in New Hampshire really knows his stuff- but the lower power setting (triode) just sounds like a weaker version. In other words, 6L6 on triode doesn't really sound like a cranked 6V6 amp. You can pretty much get the same tone with a low gain tube screamer, & much easier lol!
Also, not sure how robust current tubes are if you toggle that switch a lot while playing...
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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hebaton wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:29 am To reduce power and output.
How about this: https://robrobinette.com/Generic_Tube_A ... wer_Switch
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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You'd likely need bigger (than 25w) resistors for the Robinette solution, and/or they'd need to have access to plenty of cooling air.

Note that I've done something similar (have resistors soak up 75% of the output power), and it's not really that much quieter.

I agree with the 99%, I put a triode switch in one build and never did it again.
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Re: Pentode / Triode switch

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mhuss wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:37 pm You'd likely need bigger (than 25w) resistors for the Robinette solution...
For sure, you will have to determine the right balance of attenuation and heat dissipation. The better passive reactive loads, I believe, leverage multiple "Arcol" style resistors and inductors.

Though, I think the OP was looking for a low part-count solution to "reduce power". What about a RichMod PPIMV (at its core is a dual-gang pot and and some coax)? That likely will sound overall more pleasing than the P/T switch.
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