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SIMPLE CAP FOIL TESTER

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After learning about cap foil polarity, and seeing several different test methods, I made this simple lead tester in about 10 minutes with spare parts and the results were excellent. I built the following below with a mono cable plug, a DPDT ON/ON switch, two alligator clips and some wire.

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I wired the switch as below:

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The black wire is normally wired to the sleeve and the white to the tip. Flipping the switch reverses the leads. I marked the "reverse side" of the switch "R" so I can quickly tell which wire is quieter. I plugged the jack into an amp input, attached a capacitor and turned up the volume. Touching the capacitor outer cover ONLY, you get a notable increase in hum. I turned the master off, flipped the switch and turned it back up to the same level and retouched the cap cover. It's quite noticeable that one end is much louder/noisier than the other. The only exception was with a ceramic disk cap I tested. I've seen people also plug this kind of test into a DAW to visually see the differences in signal gain depending on orientation. I marked the caps with a black Sharpie on the foil side. You can see they are not all oriented to the label, necessarily.

We'll see if this makes a difference in my build, but if you like this design, it couldn't be easier to build and the difference in direction is truly noticeable. Cheers.
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Which amp did you plug it in?

I truely wonder why some people have success with this method and some others don't, really... :?:
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I just plugged it into a combo amp input and turned the volume up. The difference in most caps was quite apparent. Now, I assumed—and I’m looking for correction as needed here—that the end connected to the plug tip that is quieter is the foil end of the cap, am I right?
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Sigh.
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R.G. wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:11 pmSigh.
Did you just sigh me, bro? Explain!
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Looks like I may have gotten that backwards. As with anything, I’ve found conflicting information about this. The latest demo seemed to suggest the foil is quieter when connected to the ground side. So when using a plug tip, you would mark the end connected to the sleeve?
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ViperDoc wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:34 pm
R.G. wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:11 pmSigh.
Did you just sigh me, bro? Explain!
He did already -- https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... e4#p412140 -- and quite recently.

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ViperDoc wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:38 pmLooks like I may have gotten that backwards. As with anything, I’ve found conflicting information about this. The latest demo seemed to suggest the foil is quieter when connected to the ground side. So when using a plug tip, you would mark the end connected to the sleeve?
The hum will be lower when the outer foil is connected to the sleeve. If there is an outer foil. If you arrange your toggle switch correctly the bat position will indicate the outer foil when the hum is lowest.

PSA: Some people insist that orienting the outer foil towards the lowest impedance to ground makes a huge, tremendous, night-and-day difference. Others will say it makes no difference at all. It can't hurt, and if you sleep better, that would justify the time spent.
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didit wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:17 am
ViperDoc wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:34 pm
R.G. wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:11 pmSigh.
Did you just sigh me, bro? Explain!
He did already -- https://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... e4#p412140 -- and quite recently.

Best .. Ian
I recall that, much appreciated. I get there are two sides to every story and that’s fine, but I decided since all my previous builds haven’t taken the foil end into account that I’d try it on my current 18 watt board. I just want to make sure I do it right!
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ViperDoc wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:02 pm I just plugged it into a combo amp input and turned the volume up. The difference in most caps was quite apparent. Now, I assumed—and I’m looking for correction as needed here—that the end connected to the plug tip that is quieter is the foil end of the cap, am I right?
So that works with -*-any-*- combo for you?

I tried with both a solid state and a tube amp - plus a pocket scope device - but none significantly work. I'll try with OD maybe, as soon as I'll get them... :?
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I only tested it on a tube combo input at the same volume for each test. The hum loudness changes, that’s all I can say. I’m about to install my board and finish wiring it up. Who knows. Chances are there may be some hum still in the amp! If a conduit of light and inspiration accompanies my first amp test, I will return and report.
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Thanks for your reply and good luck with your tests... 8)

I truely wonder if there's something like the dielectric of the skin or whatever, which might explain why people experience a significant difference, and some others don't... :?:
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It's possible that the orientation of two adjacent caps could influence the amount of coupling between them, which would be a feedback loop. That would depend on the layout, of course.
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the first batch of orange drop caps I tried this method on it was easy to hear the difference and mark up the caps. The last sets I've tried it on it was impossible to tell the difference using this method. I think manufacturing processes have got better/changed in the last 5 years as the caps have got physically smaller too.




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Maybe it depends on the type of Orange Drops, too? I have been trying this method with Mallory 150 and alike metalized polyester caps only.
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