yes.... I Know....I'm starting a #183 build!

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norburybrook wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:45 pm Bit more work today. Realised I'd ordered 3.3R instead of 3.3k ...bugger no cathode
Stop whining and put in any old cat resistor as a temporary fix. :)
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xtian wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:56 pm
norburybrook wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:45 pm Bit more work today. Realised I'd ordered 3.3R instead of 3.3k ...bugger no cathode
Stop whining and put in any old cat resistor as a temporary fix. :)

I did have that same thought but that would mean attaching them to the cap leads not the eyelets for removal...…..I have plenty of 2k2 's :D



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If anyone's interested the black resistors are 'Holco's'

they looked interesting so I thought I'd give them a go.



https://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/ ... CE-dQ-IFmE




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Looks great, Marcus!

After looking at your preamp board, I have the urge for some black licorice.
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You could have done two at the same time almost as fast as just one and shared one.. saving me a lot of trouble, because building one instead of zero isn't faster than.. I have confused myself and it's probably your fault.

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Reeltarded wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:16 am You could have done two at the same time almost as fast as just one and shared one.. saving me a lot of trouble, because building one instead of zero isn't faster than.. I have confused myself and it's probably your fault.

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norburybrook wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:57 am
Reeltarded wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:16 am You could have done two at the same time almost as fast as just one and shared one.. saving me a lot of trouble, because building one instead of zero isn't faster than.. I have confused myself and it's probably your fault.

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It really makes sense that you would build my amps because you are several time zones before me.. the logic in it is as artful as I am lazy. A small price to pay for living in the future. Get right on that! Thanks!
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Right then.


Finished the wiring so checked for shorts with the light bulb limiter, all good, voltages where they supposed to be.

Filled her with valves and fired up.

All voltages are where they should be but I've got ZERO sound, nothing no hiss/hum. Plugging into the poweramp input on the return jacks I have good clear sound. All voltages are where they should be across the board with valves in.

I hear no relay noise when flicking the manual to pedal on the rear of the amp. I've got 5v relays but my 5v 7805 regulator is sending 6v to them, is that OK? I'm sure this must be a wiring issue and probably, the bane of my life, relays.

Any thought's on where to start trouble shooting? relays are a pig to work on once they're in with solid core wire, it's tight in there.
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some relay wiring faults now rectified I have sound, clean is great, PAB is working but no OD.

is the OD relay jumpered?
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the top middle pin to bottom right? or is that the clean out going to the top middle pin only? schematic looks like it's connected to two places.

I've tried a jumper but no joy. will take another look after I've walked the dog.

Clean sounds great.

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I'm looking at the schematic, Marcus--preamp output must be connected to both NC and NO pins of the relay, and this appears to be correctly shown on the layout you pasted above.
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xtian wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:58 pm I'm looking at the schematic, Marcus--preamp output must be connected to both NC and NO pins of the relay, and this appears to be correctly shown on the layout you pasted above.
Yes, I've got them connected now and I'm pretty sure it's now wired correctly but no overdrive at all. Obviously the relay is working as it cuts the sound when engaged. I'm doing some continuity testing on the bench here, should the OD signal be going to ground when the amp is unpowered?

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When unpowered, the OD input signal should go to ground but not the OD output signal
In other words, the 220K resister should go to ground when unpowered.
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donvan wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:12 pm When unpowered, the OD input signal should go to ground but not the OD output signal
when you say input do you mean from the relay to the 220k resistor? and output, from the trimmer wiper to the V input?

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if I crocodile clip across the clean out to the OD will that bypass the relay safely so at least I know the OD is OK?

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norburybrook wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:18 pm
donvan wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:12 pm When unpowered, the OD input signal should go to ground but not the OD output signal
when you say input do you mean from the relay to the 220k resistor? and output, from the trimmer wiper to the V input?

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Input - relay to 220K
output - master volume wiper (right side) to the relay
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