Super Wreck???

[Lonely Raven]

the first guy was trying but...

I'm not exactly sure how to take that....

All I meant was that this isn't the greatist playing. I could hear the tone better in the second clip due to cleaner articulation.

Ahh! I see. I thought you mean the first response (me) talking out my ass or something.

I was trying not to comment on player ability. I'm not much of a player myself.

[dartanion]

I think this design works well for the style displayed in the clips. Drop tune metal riffin' seems to be it's forte'...unless we can hear some clips with more classic riffs.

[GainMaster]

I think this design works well for the style displayed in the clips. Drop tune metal riffin' seems to be it's forte'...unless we can hear some clips with more classic riffs.

Bingo. Drop tuning and uber gain was what it was designed for. The initial concept was to build an uber gain preamp amp that didn't dump most of the gain between stages. That is why 12au7s were used in the design. It was just an interesting side effect that it cleaned up well with the guitar's volume at all but the highest gain settings. Hopefully more clips will be out soon. There are only 4 amps with the Lead II preamp built so far.

Brian

[nickt]

Don't know about anyone else but one reason I'm here is the distinct LACK of "drop tune uber gain" discussion.

Perhaps I'm just old and cranky but it would be really nice if ampgarage stayed metal free.

Maybe it's my loss but I doubt it.

[harryk]

Fully agree with Nickt. I would like to see one discussion forum to concentrate to classic rock and blues sounds like ampgarage is today. Metal music with dropped D etc. has nothing to do with real music to my mind. It sounds like someone is using a motor saw in the band. Maybe I am too old to metal and hope that nobody understand this wrong. Regards Harry Bluetone

[iwo]

I play express clone and drop D guitar in a heavier alternative rock band and really like it with volume on 5-6/10. The agressivness and heaviness comes from playing. The soundclips here were way over compressed and outgained for my tastes... but hey that may work for some folks so keep on going and doing what's best for you. 10-4.

[benoit]

Fully agree with Nickt. I would like to see one discussion forum to concentrate to classic rock and blues sounds like ampgarage is today. Metal music with dropped D etc. has nothing to do with real music to my mind. It sounds like someone is using a motor saw in the band. Maybe I am too old to metal and hope that nobody understand this wrong. Regards Harry Bluetone

Careful there. I understand where you're coming from. I am pretty well sick of music. But to say essentially "your music sucks because it doesn't appeal to my sense of aesthetics (or my emotions or intellect or whatever... ears, basically)" is pretty unfounded. Of course you're free to dislike metal, that's cool.

Defining what is and isn't music is a really hard thing. But nearly anyone you might ask for their definition has some _arbitrary_ concept of what music should be and almost always centers around the things in music to which they respond (i.e. a beautiful melody, something that moves them emotionally, a bumpin beat, or whatever).

What I like about this board is that people are pretty helpful and accepting. I think you're pretty safe from this board becoming a metal haven, as the oversaturated metal sound is not something D-style or Wrecked amps do well. At the same time, the guy who posted this did so with the best of intentions and I don't think that putting out the "take your metal elsewhere" vibe is necessary.

As I said before I'm not much of a metal guy but I do get a little board with the clips posted around here. Let me clarify something first though:

I really like the clips I do hear. Glen's album is way cool, and I'd kill to nail that dogears tone, both with a soldering iron and a guitar.

I am, however aching to hear some ODS clips that are something other than playing a little out over another funky vamp. I think the ODS has a lot to offer tonally beyond that realm but it doesn't seem like anyone takes it much beyond there and some straight ahead blues.

I know that the guys that are posting clips are doing their thing, and I don't begrudge them that; I'm just surprised that no one is doing much else with these great amps.

Let me end by saying that I am very eager to be proved wrong about the lack of clip variety, and if/when I get an amp built I will contribute some clips of my own.

And harryk I hope this is not taken as a personal attack. I definitely did not write this in any sort of anger, but just to offer perspective, which I may well have completely failed to do

[GainMaster]

Careful there. I understand where you're coming from. I am pretty well sick of music. But to say essentially "your music sucks because it doesn't appeal to my sense of aesthetics (or my emotions or intellect or whatever... ears, basically)" is pretty unfounded. Of course you're free to dislike metal, that's cool.

Defining what is and isn't music is a really hard thing. But nearly anyone you might ask for their definition has some _arbitrary_ concept of what music should be and almost always centers around the things in music to which they respond (i.e. a beautiful melody, something that moves them emotionally, a bumpin beat, or whatever).

What I like about this board is that people are pretty helpful and accepting. I think you're pretty safe from this board becoming a metal haven, as the oversaturated metal sound is not something D-style or Wrecked amps do well. At the same time, the guy who posted this did so with the best of intentions and I don't think that putting out the "take your metal elsewhere" vibe is necessary.

As I said before I'm not much of a metal guy but I do get a little board with the clips posted around here. Let me clarify something first though:

I really like the clips I do hear. Glen's album is way cool, and I'd kill to nail that dogears tone, both with a soldering iron and a guitar.

I am, however aching to hear some ODS clips that are something other than playing a little out over another funky vamp. I think the ODS has a lot to offer tonally beyond that realm but it doesn't seem like anyone takes it much beyond there and some straight ahead blues.

I know that the guys that are posting clips are doing their thing, and I don't begrudge them that; I'm just surprised that no one is doing much else with these great amps.

Let me end by saying that I am very eager to be proved wrong about the lack of clip variety, and if/when I get an amp built I will contribute some clips of my own.

And harryk I hope this is not taken as a personal attack. I definitely did not write this in any sort of anger, but just to offer perspective, which I may well have completely failed to do

Thanks. My intensions were just to share new information. The Lead II preamp doesn't have to be played at max gain and has a range of tones inbetween that also clean up with a twist of the guitar's volume. Just don't have any good clips at the moment because there are so few out there and my playing skills are limited.

Brian

[benoit]

Thanks. My intensions were just to share new information. The Lead II preamp doesn't have to be played at max gain and has a range of tones inbetween that also clean up with a twist of the guitar's volume. Just don't have any good clips at the moment because there are so few out there and my playing skills are limited.

Brian

Cool man. I think this would be good candidate for technical discussion since its not really wreck-related (though I can see your reasons for thinking it might work here). I'm interested in hearing some of those lower-gain sounds, just out of curiosity.

[Bob-I]

What I like about this board is that people are pretty helpful and accepting. I think you're pretty safe from this board becoming a metal haven, as the oversaturated metal sound is not something D-style or Wrecked amps do well. At the same time, the guy who posted this did so with the best of intentions and I don't think that putting out the "take your metal elsewhere" vibe is necessary.

I agree. We can take dogears sweet singing jazzy to metal without judging. I personally don't play either style (ok a little metal type songs), but I appreciate it all.

I am, however aching to hear some ODS clips that are something other than playing a little out over another funky vamp. I think the ODS has a lot to offer tonally beyond that realm but it doesn't seem like anyone takes it much beyond there and some straight ahead blues.

I don't agree that we don't take them beyond this, it's just that we tend to record these types of things.

I just ran a recording of the band I just joined at our gig. I'll post some of these, clams and all. I used my 4x6V6 ODS/HRM. Look over on the Dumble forum.

[Lonely Raven]

thanks for posting that, benoit. You were a lot nicer about it then I would have been.

Part of why I'm enjoying these forums, is there seems to be very little of that Elitist "you need to be an EE to even bias your amp" attitude, as well as the "your music isn't my music and therefor sucks" attitude.

I'd like for these forums that I recently found to stay that way.

[benoit]

I am, however aching to hear some ODS clips that are something other than playing a little out over another funky vamp. I think the ODS has a lot to offer tonally beyond that realm but it doesn't seem like anyone takes it much beyond there and some straight ahead blues.

I don't agree that we don't take them beyond this, it's just that we tend to record these types of things.

I just ran a recording of the band I just joined at our gig. I'll post some of these, clams and all. I used my 4x6V6 ODS/HRM. Look over on the Dumble forum.

Awesome, as I said, this is one thing I'm thrilled to be wrong about

[jerrydyer]

no longer a TrainWreck really..belongs on the Metro Forum. We dig experimenting with that stuff. I printed the schem out though. looks interesting

[John_P_WI]

Guys,

Trying to steer this back to the topic of the pre amp, I'm surprised at the total number of gain stages and seemingly minimal interstage attenuation. Soldano (and others) have been able to achieve the desired distortion, touch response and effects loop using the same amount of tubes. In my experience, using more than 4 cascaded gain stages seems to add more noise than tonal qualities.

Ironically, this number of gainstages and tone topology are about the farthest thing from a TW and the only fault I see is calling it a super wreck.

Anyhow, anything done to enhance ones knowledge can not be frowned upon, even if it is in a language (metal) that we don't understand, or at least practice anymore .

Peace,

John

[dartanion]

Nothing wrong with a little metal talk. I like a lot of metal, but my favorites are Blues and Classic rock. What's funny is that what was considered heavy metal back in the day is now classic rock How long before Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden are considered Blues Rock?

This does more so belong in the Tech area, however there is no need to poo poo the merits of what has been done in this design. I'd love to hear more variety of tones, different guitars, and different styles played through it.