Reverb in the loop without a D-lator?

[Bob-I]

I haven't been around much lately, I'm happy with my amps and I think ran out of info to share, but I'm hoping for some help here.

I'm struggling with getting reverb in my amp. I want a simple rig, guitar, a few pedals, amp with reverb, ideally my Dumble Blues Master clone I built several years ago.

I built a D-Lator and put an old Quadraverb in the loop with it, sounds ok but I don't like the way the D-lator colors the tone, dulls it IMHO and it's a lot for just adding a little reverb.

I put a POD HD500 in the loop and it surprisingly works decent, again not great.

I also have a Minimix but it doesn't seem to handle the loop as advertised. It compresses and clips with anything above bedroom volume. I first thought it was the power supply, but I've tried several 9V both AC and DC (it accepts either) and up to 3A.

It would be ideal if I could have a simple rig to hook up to the loop and add some reverb and maybe delay. I'm a simple guy, a nice clean, a nice OD and a little reverb is all I want.

What have people found to be successful? Minimix? Klienulator? Other?

[norburybrook]

Just stick.a TC hall of fame in the loop, it works fine. Not perfect but try it, it might work for you.

Marcus

[Bob-I]

I find it difficult to believe that a 9v pedal can handle the voltage swing at the loop. The minimix has +-15 and it can't handle the swing.

Color me skeptical.

[martin manning]

Typically the send jack is after the master, so you can control the send level with that.

[Bob-I]

Typically the send jack is after the master, so you can control the send level with that.

Well yea, but it also controls the volume

I don't understand the point.

[martin manning]

The master will let you control the volume and avoid overdriving the reverb input. I guess you are thinking about the output (return) level? Does the reverb have an output level control?

[Bob-I]

The master will let you control the volume and avoid overdriving the reverb input. I guess you are thinking about the output (return) level? Does the reverb have an output level control?

Gotcha. Yes I have tried all the settings, lowering the master and raising the reverb output. Clips terribly no matter what. Besides, the amp doesn't really come alive until the master is above 9:00 and that's too much for any rack reverb I've tried.

[ayan]

The master will let you control the volume and avoid overdriving the reverb input. I guess you are thinking about the output (return) level? Does the reverb have an output level control?

Gotcha. Yes I have tried all the settings, lowering the master and raising the reverb output. Clips terribly no matter what. Besides, the amp doesn't really come alive until the master is above 9:00 and that's too much for any rack reverb I've tried.

I can only speak for a few pedals I have tried in the loop without a Dumbleator. IMHO, none work well. I have the TC HOF and Flashback in my pedalboard and have tried them in the loop. They are not as bad as most other pedals I have tried, but the signal degradation -- to my ears -- is too much. To the point that, unless I take my rack w/Dumbleator to a gig, I have opted for running the TCs in front of the amp using overdrive pedals before that instead of the amp's OD (otherwise, reverb or delay before OD sound terrible to me).

From everything I've read, the Fuchs Verbrator works great as it has a switching power supply and built-in Dumbleator, so it can handle everything you throw at it. Maybe you can get your hands on one and try it out. It would be cool since you could also run it in front of the amp if you were using something without an FX loop. But, it is a lot more expensive than the TC pedals, for example, but understandably so since is has a lot more going on inside.

Gil

[MakerDP]

Have you considered modding the D-Lator so that it runs in parallel? That way you can have your master where you want it and only attenuate the signal path that feeds the reverb pedal then bring it back to proper level with the return knob.

There are parallel mods out there if you do a search.

[Bob-I]

The master will let you control the volume and avoid overdriving the reverb input. I guess you are thinking about the output (return) level? Does the reverb have an output level control?

Gotcha. Yes I have tried all the settings, lowering the master and raising the reverb output. Clips terribly no matter what. Besides, the amp doesn't really come alive until the master is above 9:00 and that's too much for any rack reverb I've tried.

I can only speak for a few pedals I have tried in the loop without a Dmbleator. IMHO, none work well. I have the TC HOF and Flashback in my pedalboard and have tried them in the looop. They are not as bad as most other pedals I have tried, but the signal degradation -- to my ears -- is too much. To the point that, unless I take my rack w/Dumbleator to a gig, I have opted for running the TCs in front of the amp using overdrive pedals before that instead of the amp's OD (otherwise, reverb or delay before OD sound terrible to me).

From everything I've read, the Fuchs Verbrator works great as it has a switching power supply and built-in Dumbleator, so it can handle everything you throw at it. Maybe you can get your hands on one and try it out. It would be cool since you could also run it in front of the amp if you were using something without an FX loop. But, it is a lot more expensive than the TC pedals, for example, but understandably so since is has a lot more going on inside.

Gil

Glad to see my results are confirmed, exactly what I'm finding.

The best I've run so far is the Pod HD500 using 4 wires. I have Volume pedal, compression, boost, and wah before the amp, and reverb delay and chorus in the loop. It seems to work well but I was hoping for even better.

[Bob-I]

Have you considered modding the D-Lator so that it runs in parallel? That way you can have your master where you want it and only attenuate the signal path that feeds the reverb pedal then bring it back to proper level with the return knob.

There are parallel mods out there if you do a search.

Thx, yes I did that and it's better, but looking for something more streamlined.

[dcribbs1412]

If you are still into building stuff
Martin has a great looking mini loop design
he was gracious enough to share
that might be an option
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... light=loop

I have started to build internal tube loops in my personal amps
not much more work for the added function


D

[Bob-I]

If you are still into building stuff
Martin has a great looking mini loop design
he was gracious enough to share
that might be an option
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... light=loop

I have started to build internal tube loops in my personal amps
not much more work for the added function


D

I didn't put in an internal look because I used Brandon's chassis and Dumble's layout.

I like that mini loop design, and I bet I have everything i need except the chassis.

Thx

[bluesfendermanblues]

....
I have started to build internal tube loops in my personal amps
not much more work for the added function

D

Me to. Works great,

However, it would be great to be able to switch out the loop alltogether, in order to get less compression for more Fender Twin like sounds, but its difficult to get all the volume controls to function correctly in that (switched out) instance.

[Bob-I]

If you are still into building stuff
Martin has a great looking mini loop design
he was gracious enough to share
that might be an option
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... light=loop

I have started to build internal tube loops in my personal amps
not much more work for the added function


D

Well damn, Amazon has that chassis for $15. I'm building one, thanks D.