Ceriatone overtone special

[candh]

Here over in Germany we have a proverb, what says:

"Buy cheap, then you'd pay double the price in last consequence!"

Don't worry, Funk! The Ceriatone stuff IMO is something for those chuckleheads, who still have to make their experiences - like we had to make once at that time, as 10 or more pedals have been laying in the rehearsal's corner - payed, but already unused

Just let me know, when you're ready to ship Wreck chassis and boards - I'll be in!

Larry

Ya..ya..ya I do carpentry and I live by the proverb of "there is nothing more expensive than cheap tools" so I know all that. Other than possibly the OT and the suspect orange electrolytics I just don't see the inferiority of the Ceriatone components. So, please, (Larry) school this humble 41 year old chuclehead who has yet to make any experiences for himself..wink wink

Chris

[heisthl]

I haven't even been to the Ceriatone website so I have no idea what components are used but I will say it's pointless to invest in any DUMBLE style "Botique" amp (especially a kit) that does not use the VD plate resistors, Orange drop PS series caps, Metal film cathode resistors and Carbon Film signal path resistors with at least Xicon or better electrolytics. And make sure the majority of the resistors (especially the signal path) are 1 Watt. The transformers should be at least as good as Fender replacement transformers. Whichever of the above component qualities are not met should be part of your budget to correct - don't compromise. Make the best sounding Amp you can, it doen't cost that much more and the tone will last a lifetime.

[gearhead]

Might I remind you all of Omar's post:

Guys,
Per the recent problems on the board, let's also keep the politics off this board as well. I think everyone has stated their opinion. Back to the amp building ...

Omar
_________________

Going down this path is one (of a few) reasons he locked the board for a few days. I, personnally, do NOT want that to happen again.

[Richie]

I haven't even been to the Ceriatone website so I have no idea what components are used but I will say it's pointless to invest in any DUMBLE style "Botique" amp (especially a kit) that does not use the VD plate resistors, Orange drop PS series caps, Metal film cathode resistors and Carbon Film signal path resistors with at least Xicon or better electrolytics. And make sure the majority of the resistors (especially the signal path) are 1 Watt. The transformers should be at least as good as Fender replacement transformers. Whichever of the above component qualities are not met should be part of your budget to correct - don't compromise. Make the best sounding Amp you can, it doen't cost that much more and the tone will last a lifetime.

Nik sent me one of the first kits to experiment with.. the kit does have the parts you mention. PS series caps, and correct resistors,etc.. He uses good sockets,the switches he uses work great,jacks and all are the same as used on most other amps. The pots are Alphas or the mouser type, which are in some dumbles i have seen pics of.
So yes, the amp does have the correct type of parts in this kit.
And as most things go, he may change or upgrade or swap parts.

[ampkits]

Hi Richie, and everybody,

Here it goes again.

1) I am pretending not to see some of the things written.

2) To those who have said good things about me, thanks. I appreciate it. But, please, by no means on my account, you need to suffer from backlash, revenge, maiming or the such.
Let old hags gossip away.

3) Richie, thanks.
Yes, again and again, they have managed to KNOW, without asking, what I use. Amazing!

Yes, I do use the RN65D resistors, some CF, some CC, PS Sprague caps, better than the average fender trannies (we opened a few again this time for study), Alpha pots, my own lytics (would beat Xicon any day), etc.

I ship with JJ tubes, but now we also have Tungsol as alternative as well.

But, of course, this will never be enough, even if originals used the same resistors and caps.

The same old hags will still bleat out the same old song.

I am tired seeing negativity and shameless acts on the forums. It is beyond my upbringing, to see a business with interest to blatantly say things, esp. personal attacks, in the name of getting business.

Fine, whatever. They can have their own merry ways... but just keep in mind, my patience and tolerance are not infinite.

Sorry, back to regular programming.


Thanks!

Nik

[talbany]

I say we take Nik out back and beat the kr#$p out of him!!!
Who cares. We can all go to the art store and buy canvas and paint and brushes but not everyone can paint a masterpiece. Lets give ourself a little more credit as builders there inlies the real talent.

[ampkits]

Hehe...ouch...

No disrespect to the builders, and perhaps it wasnt fair of me to say that -because some of you dont know whats been going on, or going on.

As I said, I will pretend those things never happened, those words never said or written.

Anyways, it's cool, really. To each his own, I can respect that.

So, what's everybody been up to?

I will post some inside pics in a few days, to further illustrate the layout posted on the website.

Maybe someone can get something out of it.

It is indeed somewhat based on #124.

The FET is 2N4416, not NTE452. It sounds decent, the FET channel and usable. Some have commented this channel is useless but I wanted to retain the original, for the first version we're doing.

Well, if anyone needs to ask, just email or post away.

Thanks!

Nik

[brucedrennen]

The ceriatone special is a very cheap way of getting something similar to a dumble. People who can't afford a new bludotone or glaswerks and want that dumble tone have to find it anyway they can. All you guys build awesome amps period, but not everyone can afford one one of them. So what's everyone going crazy for?

[heisthl]

Hi Richie, and everybody,

Here it goes again.


Yes, I do use the RN65D resistors, some CF, some CC, PS Sprague caps, better than the average fender trannies (we opened a few again this time for study), Alpha pots, my own lytics (would beat Xicon any day), etc.

I ship with JJ tubes, but now we also have Tungsol as alternative as well.

But, of course, this will never be enough, Nik

That's good enough for me - sounds like a great kit. Thanks

[dogears]

Hi Nik,

Just wanted to personally let you know I have no issue with what you are doing. I have jumped in threads here and on TGP because I felt it important to clarify both where you got the info for this project as well as the fact that there is no absolute regarding Dumble circuits. No two builds sound the same and it would be wise to include instructions of several tweaking/tuning options since there is no way that this build will be consistant or satisfactory for 100% of the buyers/builders. Lastly, what do you have to say regarding the "agreement" you had with Brandon? Is it true?

Regards....

Hehe...ouch...

No disrespect to the builders, and perhaps it wasnt fair of me to say that -because some of you dont know whats been going on, or going on.

As I said, I will pretend those things never happened, those words never said or written.

Anyways, it's cool, really. To each his own, I can respect that.

So, what's everybody been up to?

I will post some inside pics in a few days, to further illustrate the layout posted on the website.

Maybe someone can get something out of it.

It is indeed somewhat based on #124.

The FET is 2N4416, not NTE452. It sounds decent, the FET channel and usable. Some have commented this channel is useless but I wanted to retain the original, for the first version we're doing.

Well, if anyone needs to ask, just email or post away.

Thanks!

Nik

[ampkits]

Dogears,

I have no issue with this at all. In fact, people indeed should be made aware that each builder has his own sinature, and this is what makes it great.

What I was referring to was the really scathing personal attacks, ramblings made by you know who. I mean, I thought the TGP issue was over? Now he has to carry it here and other places?


Yes, all credit should be to the forum. If Ayan hasnt posted pics, and without the info here, it would have been very hard.

Granted, I receive schematics and layouts to make these amps on a very regular basis, but over here, with so many knowledgable people, I am much more confident. And info is pretty much here, if they care to look.

I am still checking on Brandon (Funk?). My understanding was, during the time, he was just starting making the chassis and such and seeing that, I refrained from doing so. At that time.

I believe this was close to 2 years ago? I am not sure. Could have been 1.5 years. I thought with the time, and several batches of chassis he already produced, it would have been OK.

Thanks!

Nik

Hi Nik,

Just wanted to personally let you know I have no issue with what you are doing. I have jumped in threads here and on TGP because I felt it important to clarify both where you got the info for this project as well as the fact that there is no absolute regarding Dumble circuits. No two builds sound the same and it would be wise to include instructions of several tweaking/tuning options since there is no way that this build will be consistant or satisfactory for 100% of the buyers/builders. Lastly, what do you have to say regarding the "agreement" you had with Brandon? Is it true?

Regards....

[super100]

Lastly, what do you have to say regarding the "agreement" you had with Brandon? Is it true?

Regards....

Why ask Nik this question?
From what I understand, Omar started this forum so that we could discuss and share information about two great amplifier designs.
Part of that information sharing has evolved where people help others obtain parts and are building amps for clients or troubleshooting their projects on the forum.

It's disturbing that agreements are being made behind the scenes as to who can offer what parts.

We should be free to buy parts from anyone we want or if
one is so inclined, have the parts made and offer them to others.

Whether or not it's true, we now see the result of alleged agreements that should never be made in the first place.
There is animosity and attacks that don't follow the spirit of the forum.

[dogears]

No doubt, but suppose we talk and you ask me for exact measurements for your own use and promise not to sell a competing design. This is different than your scenario. Asking for the info, getting it only because of a promise, and then using it, is not OK in my book.

However, this is just a hypothetical. Do you think such a scenario is OK?

Lastly, what do you have to say regarding the "agreement" you had with Brandon? Is it true?

Regards....

Why ask Nik this question?
From what I understand, Omar started this forum so that we could discuss and share information about two great amplifier designs.
Part of that information sharing has evolved where people help others obtain parts and are building amps for clients or troubleshooting their projects on the forum.

It's disturbing that agreements are being made behind the scenes as to who can offer what parts.

We should be free to buy parts from anyone we want or if
one is so inclined, have the parts made and offer them to others.

Whether or not it's true, we now see the result of alleged agreements that should never be made in the first place.
There is animosity and attacks that don't follow the spirit of the forum.

[Tubetwang]

In my opinion, business agreements should be done in writting.

As a consumer, i have ordered parts from Nik and have always been please by his product, pricing and service.

I have also ordered parts from many other dealers over the years...some have been great, while a few... dragged their feet.

I like to praise the good guys and ignore the duds.

I'm in it solely for the fun of building amps, plugging it and playing it.
If it becomes a pain, i'll move on to something else.
Maybe recording?

[ampkits]

Dogears,

Thats not true. I never used Funk's drawing. I stared at Gil's pics for months trying to get it right.


I design chassis almost on daily basis, so it's not a problem for me, CAD and what not.

From the pics, you can pretty much get what the sizings are. I do memorize things like the length of the chiken head knobs, all the hole diameters, each EI core sizing for the lams, and such (need to if you have people ask you to make custom chassis all the time). So it is possible.

Truth be told, I didnt refer to it at all. And I think it's evident on the chassis design.

Do note, even before this forum existed, I have made several chassis that turn out to be for Dumble type amps. These are custom requests and OEM, but the secret is, and will be safe. I never used them either.

I think the Vasin(?) Taiwanese chassis influenced me more as well cause I remember going to the website to confirm the sizing.

If anyone can take credit for the chassis, it would be Mr Dumbla himself, and Gil for the pics.

Thanks!

Nik

No doubt, but suppose we talk and you ask me for exact measurements for your own use and promise not to sell a competing design. This is different than your scenario. Asking for the info, getting it only because of a promise, and then using it, is not OK in my book.

However, this is just a hypothetical. Do you think such a scenario is OK?

Lastly, what do you have to say regarding the "agreement" you had with Brandon? Is it true?

Regards....

Why ask Nik this question?
From what I understand, Omar started this forum so that we could discuss and share information about two great amplifier designs.
Part of that information sharing has evolved where people help others obtain parts and are building amps for clients or troubleshooting their projects on the forum.

It's disturbing that agreements are being made behind the scenes as to who can offer what parts.

We should be free to buy parts from anyone we want or if
one is so inclined, have the parts made and offer them to others.

Whether or not it's true, we now see the result of alleged agreements that should never be made in the first place.
There is animosity and attacks that don't follow the spirit of the forum.