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Re: Starting point for new build

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norburybrook wrote: .....
And/Or have 2 amps , Robben Ford seems to always have his trusty fender along side the 102, Mark Knopfler has a fender, well Toneking live along side the Bognor/Komet and 4x12's.

I must say the more I use my JTM45 and 4x10 along with good boost/OD pedals my current Dumble build is hoping to have to be very good to replace it. The clean sounds on the JTM are just lovely in the high treble channel.

Marcus
Great looking guitar room!

The bottom cabinet on the left looks like a thiele? if so, what speaker unit have you settled on? I've tried both EV12L and Fane Studio 12L in my own thiele cab - they are both a bit too peaky and hard for me.

Looks like a couple of Klon clones on your pedalboard, which schemo/layout have you used?
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Re: Starting point for new build

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bluesfendermanblues wrote:
norburybrook wrote: .....
And/Or have 2 amps , Robben Ford seems to always have his trusty fender along side the 102, Mark Knopfler has a fender, well Toneking live along side the Bognor/Komet and 4x12's.

I must say the more I use my JTM45 and 4x10 along with good boost/OD pedals my current Dumble build is hoping to have to be very good to replace it. The clean sounds on the JTM are just lovely in the high treble channel.

Marcus
Great looking guitar room!

The bottom cabinet on the left looks like a thiele? if so, what speaker unit have you settled on? I've tried both EV12L and Fane Studio 12L in my own thiele cab - they are both a bit too peaky and hard for me.

Looks like a couple of Klon clones on your pedalboard, which schemo/layout have you used?
thanks, that bottom cab is a 1x12 Dumble cab (oval cut out semi open)with a Celestion G12 65

well spotted on the Klons. I've got a Silver and a gold,

gold from here;

http://www.3pdt.com/products/klon-overdrive

silver form here;

http://shop.pedalparts.co.uk/Klone/p847 ... 89339.aspx


Gold is noisier but I prefer the sound, the silver one hums badly with my voodoo labs power supply but is OK with a cheap Chinese one.

pedals and pedal boards are a law unto themselves.

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Re: Starting point for new build

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norburybrook wrote:
bluesfendermanblues wrote:
norburybrook wrote: .....
And/Or have 2 amps , Robben Ford seems to always have his trusty fender along side the 102, Mark Knopfler has a fender, well Toneking live along side the Bognor/Komet and 4x12's.

I must say the more I use my JTM45 and 4x10 along with good boost/OD pedals my current Dumble build is hoping to have to be very good to replace it. The clean sounds on the JTM are just lovely in the high treble channel.

Marcus
Great looking guitar room!

The bottom cabinet on the left looks like a thiele? if so, what speaker unit have you settled on? I've tried both EV12L and Fane Studio 12L in my own thiele cab - they are both a bit too peaky and hard for me.

Looks like a couple of Klon clones on your pedalboard, which schemo/layout have you used?
thanks, that bottom cab is a 1x12 Dumble cab (oval cut out semi open)with a Celestion G12 65

well spotted on the Klons. I've got a Silver and a gold,

gold from here;

http://www.3pdt.com/products/klon-overdrive

silver form here;

http://shop.pedalparts.co.uk/Klone/p847 ... 89339.aspx


Gold is noisier but I prefer the sound, the silver one hums badly with my voodoo labs power supply but is OK with a cheap Chinese one.

pedals and pedal boards are a law unto themselves.

Marcus
Thank you!

The Klon sounds great in combination with providence OD - at least for Matt Schofield :-) I already have the the Provi on my pedalboard, which is powered by a Voodoolab PSU (btw mine is quiet and not a hum source).
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Re: Starting point for new build

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I'm using a Zendrive at the moment so I have the klon going into the zen drive. Thinking of building an Exotic EP boost to try into the Zendrive , however this may all go out of the window if the OD on my dumble build sounds killer :D


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Re: Starting point for new build

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norburybrook wrote:I'm using a Zendrive at the moment so I have the klon going into the zen drive. Thinking of building an Exotic EP boost to try into the Zendrive , however this may all go out of the window if the OD on my dumble build sounds killer :D


Marcus
I mainly play strats and whenever possible I use my Low Plate Classic (with a couple of mods). Although, I have a small 2U rack with a multi-effects unit and Suhr MiniMix II, it's usually not used for live gigs. Most live rooms have plenty of 'room' for my taste.

My #183 and #102 clones also sounds killer, but they are 100w versions - and therefore heavier (at 3 AM).

The pedal board is handy for rehearsals with bad parking conditions - Zendrive vs Dumble clones? no comparison, my Dumble clones win in regards to dynamics and overtones. However, not 'right out of the box' I have spent a lot of time tweaking and rotating pots in order to arrive at great sounds.

Along the way, these amps have improved my playing, because you wont get Robben Ford/ Larry Carlton sweet tones - unless you focus on your picking technique. Personally, I came from Fender Amps and tube screamers and it's a whole other ball game. I was hitting the strings hard and going for the rockier part of the SRV spectrum of sounds. I think the rest of the band are also more into dynamics now.
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Re: Starting point for new build

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to bluesfendermanblues

So are you happy with the Low Plate Classic for your Strat tones? How do they compare with the Fenders you were playing before? Especially the clean tones.
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Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjoJzjhWew

think i`ll throw all the speculation on Sc`s out the window with this clip! No harm/pun intended! I`m not a friend of BB, the amp killzzzz....

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Re: Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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groovtubin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjoJzjhWew

think i`ll throw all the speculation on Sc`s out the window with this clip! No harm/pun intended! I`m not a friend of BB, the amp killzzzz....

jim
We all have our own opinions. It's interesting that you think you ended the speculation with that link. For me, that link proves that Strats don't sound great with Dstyle amps. Very average and pedestrian to me. I bet that amp really wakes up with a LP.
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Re: Starting point for new build

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macula56 wrote: So are you happy with the Low Plate Classic for your Strat tones?
Yes, I am. In its current modded form, it provides both Clean fender type sounds and the 'cranked fender sound', I used to get running my Fender Super with the volume on 3-4 (reverb channel), only the Dumble can deliver the sound at humane levels. 3-4 on a fender super is too loud for the venues I play in.

My suggestion is, build it (https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=12872
), and the do your own mods to suit your style, guitar and preferred speaker cab. Don't paint (tweak) by numbers. Dumble's amp were all build for a specific player, guitar etc. etc. For inspiration, I suggest you read this post from user Heisthl (Henry from Redplateamps): https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... weak+order

My mods are (for inspiration):
a) Clean: V1b 47n cap lowered to 22n.
b) PAB: instead of the #124/102 PAB I used the PAB realy to lift the mid pot with a 82K and bass pot with a 220K.
c) OD: When I played the amp at first, I thought the OD was a little thin in comparison to the clean channel - so I upped the 10n on V2a to 20n and the 5n on V2b to 10n.
d) OD master vol: I changed the 100k pot to a 1M and connected it directly to the V2b cap. This makes the OD a little darker, but it has a nice rance and more OD volume on tab, which is hany when you run the input volume control high, which most of us do with strats, you can run out of OD volume with the standard 150k resistor + 100 k pot.

e) PLUS I have a built-in Dumblelator. with fixed mastervolume made of two resistors 470k/560K + 30 pf across. The Dumblelator 250k 'return' i on the front plate as 'master'. The Dumblelator is an integral part of the ODS sound package. So dont forget that part of the equation. I like having it in the amp for a simpler setup.
macula56 wrote: How do they compare with the Fenders you were playing before? Especially the clean tones.
Its very close - you can dial the Dumble classic stack to sound almost like a Blackface Fender, but if you do a direct comparison, the Fender amp is both brighter and deeper (muddier). The Dumble is rounder and the tone controls have a more usable operating ranges. A Fender tone stack with 6.8K fixed mid resistor (or 10k pot) is quite scooped in comparison to the Dumble, but then again you can dial the Dumble mid pot down to 6.8K (9 o'clock) and it scooped like the Fender.

On a the Dumble Classic, I find the sweet spot on the mid pot is around 11 o'clock (measures 19 k to ground from the mid pot center lug) and the Bass pot to be around 11 o'clock (34 k to ground). Treble pot (30% log) around noon.
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Re: Starting point for new build

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@bluesfendermanblues What about this amp?

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=178
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?p=136483

The clips that user 'Max' provided demonstrate an overdrive tone on both the neck and bridge pickups that I am really interested in achieving. There is also speculation by both 'Max' and 'markusw' that this export amp was not tweaked with any user in mind.

Would the starting point and mods you recommend get near the tones demonstrated from this amp?

Thanks for the suggestions you've provided.

-jack
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Re: Starting point for new build

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jam-mill wrote:@bluesfendermanblues What about this amp?

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=178
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?p=136483

The clips that user 'Max' provided demonstrate an overdrive tone on both the neck and bridge pickups that I am really interested in achieving. There is also speculation by both 'Max' and 'markusw' that this export amp was not tweaked with any user in mind.

Would the starting point and mods you recommend get near the tones demonstrated from this amp?

Thanks for the suggestions you've provided.

-jack
yes, I think that my amp sounds fine on both Neck, Mid and Bridge PU's of a Strat ....but, my listed mods is not a recommendation, because no two amps are alike. (one mans 47n is anothers mans 22n).

My recommendation is: build the low plate classic (good for strats) and go from there - use Heisthl's mod guidelines and your own guitar, cable, speakers, taste and ears :-)
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Re: Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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groovtubin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjoJzjhWew

think i`ll throw all the speculation on Sc`s out the window with this clip! No harm/pun intended! I`m not a friend of BB, the amp killzzzz....

jim
Sounded fizzy to me.

I have no respect for fartblossom and would prefer not to give him any publicity.
Tom

Don't let that smoke out!
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Re: Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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vibratoking wrote:
groovtubin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjoJzjhWew

think i`ll throw all the speculation on Sc`s out the window with this clip! No harm/pun intended! I`m not a friend of BB, the amp killzzzz....

jim
We all have our own opinions. It's interesting that you think you ended the speculation with that link. For me, that link proves that Strats don't sound great with Dstyle amps. Very average and pedestrian to me. I bet
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Re: Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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groovtubin wrote:
vibratoking wrote: We all have our own opinions. It's interesting that you think you ended the speculation with that link. For me, that link proves that Strats don't sound great with Dstyle amps. Very average and pedestrian to me. I bet
huh :?:
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Re: Dumble soundimg killer w/59 strat

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Structo wrote:
groovtubin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhjoJzjhWew

think i`ll throw all the speculation on Sc`s out the window with this clip! No harm/pun intended! I`m not a friend of BB, the amp killzzzz....

jim
Sounded fizzy to me.

I have no respect for fartblossom and would prefer not to give him any publicity.
:idea:

Can't agree more... Unless it's intended to be hilarious... Which he is.
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