Encore style build needs trouble shooting

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Encore style build needs trouble shooting

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I have built this Encore style amp from donor parts. I went through the PT and OT carefully and derived their windings and voltage. They both fit the bill. I scored a typical choke and reverb transformer for the build. I went through the build in stages and all was checking out. Voltage on the B+ side were right in line and the OT specced out nicely. I get good voltage reading throughout but no sound. The amp does not pass any signal to the output. I don't have a scope so I am looking for any help to trouble shoot this build. I suspect its something quite simple as i checked and rechecked all my component values and layout connections. Plate and cathode voltage are as expected.

I used the layout graphic below. I have yet to include the bias jacks and I moved the bias pot to the back wall.

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Re: Encore style build needs trouble shooting

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Angelo is the input jack grounded?
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input

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No its ground via contact with the chassis as in the original Encore layout.
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I would make sure the speaker jacks are wired right.

You could do the pop test starting from output working your way through input.
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ok

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I used the speaker setup that Martin drew up. It has the 7ohm 5w r across the two switches on the 12A jacks. Its the no-load shorting protection setup. I get nothing at the output, how would the pop test work.
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Is pin 8 on both power tube sockets going to ground?

The amp must be on, connected to a speaker or dummy load, then ether use pop test by touching a test prob to these points or using an oscilloscope with a test tone in the input, usually about 1000 hz. Always start from the back and work your way to the front.
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pin 8

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No they are open. I did not have the bias jacks… do I need to ground those pins.
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angelodp wrote:No they are open. I did not have the bias jacks… do I need to ground those pins.
Yes ground pin 8 for 6L6 or 6V6.

Ground both pins 1-8 for EL34 use.
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jacks

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I went without the selector and direct to the jacks with 4ohm 8ohm. I believe its according to drawing from MM.

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Ok so both power tube sockets get grounded… shall I leave out the 1ohm resistors for now until I get the bias jacks?
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angelodp wrote:Ok so both power tube sockets get grounded… shall I leave out the 1ohm resistors for now until I get the bias jacks?
Yes leave them out until your ready for the test jacks.
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Ok that got sound but its squealed pretty bad, shut it down… I suppose I have the OT wires screwed up ?
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Not sure I have that drawing from MM. :)
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angelodp wrote:Ok that got sound but its squealed pretty bad, shut it down… I suppose I have the OT wires screwed up ?
I would say that is correct swap them around and fire that bitch up and watch bias.
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sound

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Ok, I did get sound, but I could no crank it as it started to chirp when I raised the master. One of the Power tubes looked like it was gonna go cherry as well so i shut it down. I don't think I have sufficient bias voltage. I am only reading -26v as I have it set up. Perhaps I need to bring that 100k further down to bring up the bias voltage…
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