power supply sag, selecting transformer

General discussion area for tube amps.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

User avatar
martin manning
Posts: 14308
Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W

Re: power supply sag, selecting transformer

Post by martin manning »

A regulated power supply is one which has some active elements that work to maintain a constant output voltage regardless of changes in supply voltage or load. In that regard, the typical guitar amp power supply is unregulated. In my opinion a transformer regulation spec is oxymoronic, since it really indicates how unregulated the transformer's output voltage is with respect to the load.
User avatar
statorvane
Posts: 568
Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 3:28 pm
Location: Upstate New York

Re: power supply sag, selecting transformer

Post by statorvane »

I think a lot of builders don't take the transformer current rating into account other than to make sure it is as high or higher than is needed.
Guilty as charged. Maybe this link will help? http://www.dreamtone.org/Calculate_Current_Form.htm

I'm pretty sure the numbers produced are a first order approximation; the voltage estimation is constant - invariant with the number or type of power tubes, but the current varies. I've been using that link to size a PT for a parallel SE amplifier - 2 x E34Ls and two 12AX7s. Seems that a Hammond 270FX would be sufficient.
talbany
Posts: 4696
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:03 am
Location: Dumbleland

Re: power supply sag, selecting transformer

Post by talbany »

A regulated power supply is one which has some active elements that work to maintain a constant output voltage regardless of changes in supply voltage or load. In that regard, the typical guitar amp power supply is unregulated. In my opinion a transformer regulation spec is oxymoronic, since it really indicates how unregulated the transformer's output voltage is with respect to the load.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulation
Correct!!.. Not to get 'regulated" and "regulation" confused as regulation just refers to the ability of keeping the voltage constant, good or poor..
In electrical engineering, particularly power engineering, voltage regulation is a measure of change in the voltage magnitude between the sending and receiving end of a component, such as a transmission or distribution line. Voltage regulation describes the ability of a system to provide near constant voltage over a wide range of load conditions. The term may refer to a passive property that results in more or less voltage drop under various load conditions, or to the active intervention with devices for the specific purpose of adjusting voltage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_regulation

Have a great weekend!!

Tony
" The psychics on my bench is the same as Dumble'"
User avatar
VacuumVoodoo
Posts: 924
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:27 pm
Location: Goteborg, Sweden
Contact:

Re: power supply sag, selecting transformer

Post by VacuumVoodoo »

That's why, when specifying transformers, it's called "load regulation".
It defines voltage drop from no secondary load to nominal load. It's quoted as percentage. Your general purpose OFT transformers will usually have 10% load regulation, you can specify 5% at a premium.
Aleksander Niemand
------------------------
Life's a party but you get invited only once...
affiliation:TUBEWONDER AMPS
Zagray!-review
Post Reply