Man - built a new amp - but it never was loud enough in my opinion.
Took it to gigs - rehearsals - tried various 16 ohm cabs - to no avail.
What was wrong?
It was built with a Hammond 1750Q OT for like a JTM45 - with a choke like a Bassman.
I finally got around to really looking at the amp this morning wanting to finally put this to rest.
Looked at every solder joint. Resoldered a few.
Checked EVERY resistor - even removed a few just to ensure they measured correctly out of the circuit.
Looked at all caps.
Checked the voltages so many times it's not funny.
Everything looked good - what was the issue?
So - schematic out - build noted spread all over the table - DVOM on - check EVERY wire - looking - looking.....
Wait a minute - look again...
The OT was wired to the 4-8-16 ohm selector switch incorrectly - it was wired 16-8-4!
When I had the switch in the 16 ohm position according to the markings on the rear panel it was accessing the 4 ohm tap on the OT.
I couldn't believe it.
This is a testament to the Hammond OT and the Sovtek 6L6WXT+ power tubes - the HD components used throughout - and dumb luck.
A simple test by moving the switch to the 4 ohm position made the amp come ALIVE!
I feel so stupid. I haven't made a mistake like that in many moons.
But - it happens to the best of us - and it happens to the worst of us - like me - :^)
OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
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Re: OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
Confession is good for the soul. I agree, tough tubes! Miss-matching the other way is what will take out the OT, due to fly-back voltage.
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Re: OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
Yup, having a lower impedance tap driving a higher load can be a sure invite to a winding flash over arc dependant on the Plate voltage.
Lucky you plate voltage is under 480 and the Hammond OT is overbuilt!
The first time many moon's ago that I replaced a Marshall Major OT I did not make note of the color code and when I 2 weeks latter installed the new OT I used the hook up for that color code that non Marshall amps use for that color code I regards to hook up.
Lucky for me I rechecked before I powered the amp up and found my mistake, or that would have been 350 bucks for another new OT out of my pocket!
Lucky you plate voltage is under 480 and the Hammond OT is overbuilt!
The first time many moon's ago that I replaced a Marshall Major OT I did not make note of the color code and when I 2 weeks latter installed the new OT I used the hook up for that color code that non Marshall amps use for that color code I regards to hook up.
Lucky for me I rechecked before I powered the amp up and found my mistake, or that would have been 350 bucks for another new OT out of my pocket!
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Not screaming like the passengers in his car!
Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
Re: OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
I ran into trouble when trying to drive a 16 ohm cab with a 2 ohm Bassman OT in my Marshall 1987 build. A plate in one EL34 arced to its heater, burning out the 100R heater balance resistors. Valuable lesson learned cheaply!
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Re: OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
Does running 16 ohm cab from 2ohm tap burn out OT?
I thought it was the other way around.
I ran 16 ohm cab from 4 ohm bassman for several years practicing (though never at gig). The only ill effect I noticed was loss of volume. Maybe I just got lucky.
I thought it was the other way around.
I ran 16 ohm cab from 4 ohm bassman for several years practicing (though never at gig). The only ill effect I noticed was loss of volume. Maybe I just got lucky.
Re: OT Wired Wrong - Noobie Mistake
Running 'a notch' above or below the desired load resistance most likely won't cause the thing to fail. But running way-too-high-a-load will cause problems (as will running no load) - both can cause voltage spikes in the OT that will puncture through the winding insulation.
However if running within a notch above or below, then think about this - running a slightly higher load resistance (and getting a flatter load line) is better in the long term than running a slightly lower load resistance (and getting a steeper load line) that puts the plate into running over the maximum rated dissipation more than 50% of the time. Having said that, you can compensate for a lower load resistance with colder bias.
However if running within a notch above or below, then think about this - running a slightly higher load resistance (and getting a flatter load line) is better in the long term than running a slightly lower load resistance (and getting a steeper load line) that puts the plate into running over the maximum rated dissipation more than 50% of the time. Having said that, you can compensate for a lower load resistance with colder bias.
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