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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Reeltarded wrote:Here, Mark..

http://www.ampbooks.com/home/classic-ci ... ltage-amp/

-Miles
Thanks Miles!

So, the cathode follower has lower output impedance compared to a traditional gain stage to allow it to drive current demanding circuits like tone stacks. It's not actually amplifying current but allowing more to flow.

Am I close?

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Reeltarded wrote: Two things I want to do in this life.

1. Discover something astronomical that freaks people out.

2. Figure out what the problem with this build is before the experts do.

My brain has been boiling for long enough to call it soup by now.

-Miles
Thanks for the laugh! I needed it. Don't let it boil too much. It will eventually evaporate and leave a dried residue. :lol:

Let's focus on the easier of the two...there has to be something astronomical out there to discover! :lol:

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;)

I'd love to give the Bronx cheer to Michio Kaku.

"Nmmmm! Take a hike.."
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You are spot on on the cathode follower operation. When you get back to it try this: put a 1/4" plug or cable end into each of the four inputs and measure the resistance from that input to ground (power off). You should see 1M on the #1's and 136k on the #2's.
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martin manning wrote:You are spot on on the cathode follower operation. When you get back to it try this: put a jack or cable end into each of the four inputs and measure the resistance to ground, with the power off. You should see 1M on the #1's and 136k on the #2's.
Will do. Thanks again.

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Also measure from the grid pins (2 and 7) to ground at the same time. The triode not in use should always read 34k, the other one should read 1034k when the plug is in the #1 input and 68k when it is in the #2 input.

Edit: corrected resistance to ground from grid of triode not in use.
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martin manning wrote:Also measure from the grid pins (2 and 7) to ground at the same time. The triode not in use should always read 0 ohms, the other one should read 1034k when the plug is in the #1 input and 68k when it is in the #2 input.
Thanks Martin! Will do.

I was in live audio for 15 years doing one-off shows most of the time so I can appreciate the value of being able to troubleshoot. You guys are amazing for taking interest in a tube-noob like myself. I'm learning so much about this amp.

And, I know I'll never build another chassis with Spraque Orange Drops...they're a real PITA when trying to meter things.

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Yeah, well, some people like to do crosswords or sudoku, but those just get tossed out...
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Oh no. You have pissed everyone but me off now, Mark.

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Mark, check the ground from the presence pot's CCW lug, and measure resistance to ground from the CCW lug, CW lug, and at the ground side of the 10k resistor on the board. I'm thinking that the PI tail is not grounded.
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Horacio

Play in tune and B#!
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martin manning wrote:Also measure from the grid pins (2 and 7) to ground at the same time. The triode not in use should always read 0 ohms, the other one should read 1034k when the plug is in the #1 input and 68k when it is in the #2 input.
I just checked the inputs as you suggested. My 1M are on #2 jacks. Looks like I have work to do on the normal jacks.

Hot to Ground:
Norm - Unmeasurable - both started around 1M and rose off the scale.
Bright - Jack1 135K Jack2 1030K

Screen to ground

Pin 2 was always 0v.
Pin 7
Norm - Jack1 1088K Jack2 1088K
Bright - Jack1 68K Jack2 1084K

I'll check the presence pot next.

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martin manning wrote:Mark, check the ground from the presence pot's CCW lug, and measure resistance to ground from the CCW lug, CW lug, and at the ground side of the 10k resistor on the board. I'm thinking that the PI tail is not grounded.
The ground looks good. It's going straight down to the bus and is a solid joint.

Presence CCW lug to ground is 0V, CW lug and the 10K to ground are 4.25K.

I'm going to start over on my inputs and see where that gets me.

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alvarezh wrote:Get this book Mark:

http://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Analysis- ... lysis+book

All the best.
Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

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Guitarnut wrote:The ground looks good. It's going straight down to the bus and is a solid joint.

Presence CCW lug to ground is 0V, CW lug and the 10K to ground are 4.25K.

I'm going to start over on my inputs and see where that gets me.
And the other side of the 10k is ~14.25k to ground, and the cathodes of the PI are ~14.7k?
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