Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Guitarnut
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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martin manning wrote:Yes go to Fender support and get the '59 reissue Bassman schematic. http://support.fender.com/schematics/gu ... ematic.pdf
Thanks. Now I have a good reference to know what's what when I'm checking voltages.

I'll get back on it this evening.

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Mark
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Last night I completely disconnected, cleaned off solder and meticulously rewired all three 9 pin sockets. I made some progress in the voltages but still a few gremlins to deal with.

V1 Pin 1 & 6 is still low. And pins 3 & 8 on V3 have swung the other way. The voltages are now low at 7.8vdc. According to the schematic, they should be about 10x that. I checked it at the single end of the 470ohm that they connect to and the voltage is the same. Checked to the junction of the 470 and 2 1M and there's 0vdc.

Maybe this means something, maybe not. I metered the single ends of the 1M ans the left showed about 6vdc and the right showed 0vdc.

Thinking it might be the tube, I swapped 12ax7s but no change.

Here are the new numbers...I left out the heaters to simplify.

Line=121VAC

F1=468v
F2=465v
F3=430v

Bias after diode -64v
Bias at15K/second filter cap -57.5v
Top of 10K 2W 429vdc
Bottom of 10K, +of 8uf cap, junction of 100Ks 350vdc
Standby switch from pin 8 V6 476vdc

V1
1 119vdc
2
3 3.3vdc
6 194vdc
7
8 3.3vcd

V2
1 195vdc
2
3 1.30vdc
6 352vdc
7 195vdc
8 197vdc

V3
1 427vdc
2
3 7.80vdc
6 427vdc
7
8 7.80vdc

V4
1
3 468vdc
4 467vdc
5 -57vdc
6 467vdc
8

V5
1
3 467vdc
4 468vdc
5 -57vdc
6 468vdc
8
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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I metered the junction of the two 100K resistors that feed pin 1 and 6 on V1. I get 350vdc. I metered the 100K that connects to pin 6 and it's down from spec at 194vdc but much closer than pin 1. The 100K that feeds pin 1 is at 119vdc. What else could it be but the 100k resistor? It's R meters okay in the circuit but I'm going to pull it, check it and re-solder it. Must be a bad solder joint.

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Mark
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Guitarnut wrote:I metered the junction of the two 100K resistors that feed pin 1 and 6 on V1. I get 350vdc. I metered the 100K that connects to pin 6 and it's down from spec at 194vdc but much closer than pin 1. The 100K that feeds pin 1 is at 119vdc. What else could it be but the 100k resistor? It's R meters okay in the circuit but I'm going to pull it, check it and re-solder it. Must be a bad solder joint.

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Mark
something is not wired correctly, you are still about 150-160v too high at V3 and the cathode voltage is too low. .Have you tried a different tube at V1?

tm
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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ToneMerc wrote:
something is not wired correctly, you are still about 150-160v too high at V3 and the cathode voltage is too low. .Have you tried a different tube at V1?

tm
I just tried a different 12ay7 but no change.

Here's how things meter leading up to pins 1 and 6 on the PI.

Peace,
Mark

I'm working on pics and will hve them up in a few.
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Guitarnut wrote:
ToneMerc wrote:
something is not wired correctly, you are still about 150-160v too high at V3 and the cathode voltage is too low. .Have you tried a different tube at V1?

tm
I just tried a different 12ay7 but no change.

Here's how things meter leading up to pins 1 and 6 on the PI.

Peace,
Mark

I'm working on pics and will hve them up in a few.
you are sure that you have the correct value(470)resistor on the PI cathode?

TM
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ToneMerc wrote:
you are sure that you have the correct value(470)resistor on the PI cathode?

TM
It meters 490 in the circuit.
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Guitarnut wrote:
ToneMerc wrote:
you are sure that you have the correct value(470)resistor on the PI cathode?

TM
It meters 490 in the circuit.
Seems odd that you would have the exact same voltage on each side of the PI plates as well, almost appears hey are shorted together.

TM
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Measure resistance to ground from the 470-1M-1M-10K junction. Seems like you have bad ground connection in the PI.
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ToneMerc wrote: Seems odd...
The pretty much describes the last two days on this project. :?

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Firestorm wrote:Measure resistance to ground from the 470-1M-1M-10K junction. Seems like you have bad ground connection in the PI.
Thanks Firestorm.

It measures 14.2K.


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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Darn.
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Re: Issue With Bassman 5F6A Build

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Firestorm wrote:Darn.
So that R is correct?
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