what a 4th grader was taught

[Reeltarded]

Ok. Off to work! I'm late!

[cbass]

This pisses me off more than anything.Glad I don't get any CCW permits.
Supposedly our state lawmakers are working up several laws to stop more of this from happening.

http://www.news-leader.com/article/2013 ... ck_check=1

[NickC]

I fear my own gov't more than I fear terrorist.

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+1

[Leo_Gnardo]

This pisses me off more than anything.Glad I don't get any CCW permits.
Supposedly our state lawmakers are working up several laws to stop more of this from happening.

Well can you blame the cops for wanting to know who's likely to be carrying a weapon? And in the computer age, just takes seconds to find out, once a driver has been pulled over & handed his license to the friendly officer. If you think there's going to be any stop to sharing info among government agencies, you're dreaming. They will share to protect themselves and each other, but when it's for YOUR benefit somehow the system ... just ... breaks . . . d o w n .

1. something about, - - - then only criminals will have guns.

2. as I'm sure we all know, if you're not a police officer, you're probably a criminal.

There's also the huge surge in applications for carry permits SINCE Newtown.

Even before that, there's been a marked increase in carry permit applications here in SE New York. And the sheriff's departments are dragging their heels in filling them. A process that took less than 30 days now takes over a year. Think they're vetting those applications? You bet! Friends & family only. Meanwhile, see 1) above.

And then there's the farce from the NY State Legislature. Seven round magazines max from now on. They know perfectly well NOBODY makes a 7 round mag, and nobody will. So at the date their goofy law takes force, every law-abiding owner of a magazine in excess of 7 becomes a criminal. Nice going guys! Oh there's been TALK, even from the governor, that you can load your 10-mags with only 7 and that's OK, but that's TALK and isn't LAW. And how does Officer Clancy know that you haven't loaded your mag with all 10 and just shot off 3?? See 2) above.

FWIW I have no pistol permit but was thinking of getting one considering the dodgy neighborhood I live in. Also was thinking of what weapon to get. Had my eye on the Browning Hi-Power but now that's out of the question. (9 mm version carries 13 rounds, 40 cal carries 10), so I'd have to settle for the tried & true 1911A1 45.

[cbass]

This pisses me off more than anything.Glad I don't get any CCW permits.
Supposedly our state lawmakers are working up several laws to stop more of this from happening.

Well can you blame the cops for wanting to know who's likely to be carrying a weapon?

No I can't blame the police.The feds are the ones that asked the MO State Patrol for the list.The police already have the list and that fine with me.

Aorund here its no big deal to carry a gun in your car.The police pretty much assume you have one.The last time I got pulled over I told the cop I have a handgun in the console.He said doesn't everyone?When I was in high school people were still driving around with gun racks in the back glass of their pickups.There were probably dozens of guns in plain site in the parking lot and noone even though twice about it.

[Jana]

Lefty, that is a cool test.

[cbass]

I put mine on there

[Reeltarded]

I MUST make a declaration if I am stopped. You HAVE to do that in most states.

[Leo_Gnardo]

This pisses me off more than anything.Glad I don't get any CCW permits.
Supposedly our state lawmakers are working up several laws to stop more of this from happening.

Well can you blame the cops for wanting to know who's likely to be carrying a weapon?

No I can't blame the police.The feds are the ones that asked the MO State Patrol for the list.The police already have the list and that fine with me.

Aorund here its no big deal to carry a gun in your car.The police pretty much assume you have one.The last time I got pulled over I told the cop I have a handgun in the console.He said doesn't everyone?When I was in high school people were still driving around with gun racks in the back glass of their pickups.There were probably dozens of guns in plain site in the parking lot and noone even though twice about it.

Ah I see now. But in spite of any state laws NSA or the other alphabet-soup agencies will find out anything about anyone.

In the gun-shy Northeast showing a firearm is an invitation to a police riot. There's a couple guys with carry permits who have tried walking around with a NON-concealed weapon and the hassle they get is beyond belief.

and from earlier today,

<<WHy in the hell can't we stop gangs?
If there is a religious nutjob stockpiling weapons somewhere the feds will come in and burn the place to the ground men women children and all.

But we can't shut down a bunch of diseducated hoodlums.>>

Yeah I sure remember the Waco incident. Koresh & his buddies, beside all their other strange behavior, were reported to be manufacturing quantities of methamphetamine. which could explain strange behavior. But it was shameful that children died at the hands of the Federal Gov't.

Gangs, OTOH seem to have occupied themselves mostly with distribution of other powders n pills (cocaine heroin oxycodone etc) and that has the sanction & cooperation of the CIA going way back. (Remember Lt. Colonel Ollie North? All the truth still isn't in, and won't ever be.) There's a building @ 150 yd from mine that's the home of the local "Latin Kings" and they make no secret of it. First thing they did when they moved in was send a photo of one of their members holding an AK-47 to the local police station with the message "This is for you." Now they're all buddy buddy, the cops buy lunch at the deli across the street and there's a nice friendly truce. "Sell all the dope you want, just don't shoot up the neighborhood." OK, carry on boys. Perhaps the gangs have their own lobbyists. Keep the legislators pocket full of cash powders n pills and you can go your merry way - business as usual.

Koresh et al were making their own dope and weren't sharing it & profits with the Feds, and that's what brought on their doom. Janet Reno et al had to make an example of 'em, show other organizations (gangs etc.) what not to do if they want to survive.

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say where the heck is tsutt?

[cbass]

Make it all legal then gangs won't have money.

[ToneMerc]

There's a couple guys with carry permits who have tried walking around with a NON-concealed weapon and the hassle they get is beyond belief.

As they should, if that locality does not allow open carry, then the only way to to carry a handgun on your person is concealed carry, which is exactly why the permit is called a concealed carry. One could possibly be charged with brandishing a firearm in public and have your CC permited revoked, just trying to prove a point.

TM

CC instructor since 98'

[Leo_Gnardo]

Make it all legal then gangs won't have money.

True. Remove the profit motive then they'll have to find something else to do. I'd like to try that.

Remember the 2008 Prez campaign, when John McCain spoke the truth and it hung in the air for an hour or so until he realized what a Big Mistake he made. "You cops keep the game going to keep the game going," referring to the fact that they COULD shut down gangs & criminals of all sorts, IF they really wanted to. McCain quickly realized that he was going to lose the votes of all police & their families so he backtracked so fast he did what Wiley Coyote never managed to do - scrambled backwards returning to the cliff precipice. (A few days later he announced his choice for VP which essentially gave the election away, another major SNAFU.)

By the same token Fed & State gov'ts could repeal drug laws ASAP, but then they couldn't keep the game going could they?

If that were to happen, undertakers would be mighty busy for the next couple of weeks as those with little self-control party themselves into lethal overdose. But they were going to go anyway, just drag it out for years or decades.

I could see a gov't dispensary similar to ABC stores in some states, manned by state troopers, smokey hats & all. And with every sale, the buyer signs a DNR order. "If we find you passed out we will do nothing to revive you." Put the responsibility shoe on the right foot.

[LeftyStrat]

You left out the for-profit prison corporations that had the states agree to certain quotas of prisoners.

Or the lobbying by the Alcohol Industry against pot legalization.

Or the fact the Feds would have to shut down the DEA and its subsidies to local law enforcement.

Or the corporations who's profits come from supplying educational materials for DARE.

There's so much money being made in the "War Against Drugs." Unfortunately, it's all coming out of our pockets.

It's interesting to look at the results of Portugal's change in drug laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

[Leo_Gnardo]

There's a couple guys with carry permits who have tried walking around with a NON-concealed weapon and the hassle they get is beyond belief.

As they should, if that locality does not allow open carry, then the only way to to carry a handgun on your person is concealed carry, which is exactly why the permit is called a concealed carry. One could possibly be charged with brandishing a firearm in public and have your CC permited revoked, just trying to prove a point.

TM

CC instructor since 98'

I'm 100% sure you're right. I think these guys knew they weren't in "no open carry" territory. But it gives most ordinary folks the jitters enough the non-concealed carriers were asked by law enforcement to "put it away" and they did with no further argument. (You can imagine Mr or Ms Normal: "OMG there goes a guy with a weapon in a holster and not in a police uniform," then tapping 911 on their cell phone.) I don't think any sane permit holder would risk losing their permit and/or weapon(s) plus bring on "menacing" or similar charges. But some people, as you know, just have to try it on. In the wild wild west way back when, and even in cbass's mid south right now, and apparently Arizona, no problem.

[LeftyStrat]

On the other hand you have some woman showing up with a loaded, holstered hand gun to her daughter's soccer game. What do you expect parents to do?

We all descended from ancestors who acted quickly to perceived threats to their offspring. The ones that didn't ended up childless. Now perhaps if they had also been carrying, being able to take out the killer in retaliation may have felt good, but it wouldn't propagate their genes.