A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal
A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
What's your approach when it comes to handling other peoples vintage amps.
A) Replace only as needed to keep as much of the mojo possible?
B) Go apeshit and swap carbon comps, old worn out pots, electrolytic caps etc to give somebody an amp that won't have any issues for at least 10 years?
C) Leave the option up to the owner?
D) Both A and C
E) Play "We built this city" while testing the amp.
Anyway, what's your approach?
A) Replace only as needed to keep as much of the mojo possible?
B) Go apeshit and swap carbon comps, old worn out pots, electrolytic caps etc to give somebody an amp that won't have any issues for at least 10 years?
C) Leave the option up to the owner?
D) Both A and C
E) Play "We built this city" while testing the amp.
Anyway, what's your approach?
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
You would need to provide a ten-foot-pole for me to tinker with anyone else'e vintage amp...
On the other hand, if it ain't me, I'd just replace what's needed. Occasionally people complain that their tech replaced stuff other than what they thought was needed. You should ask the owner first and with the go ahead make necessary improvements as needed and when all's done play We Built This City.
On the other hand, if it ain't me, I'd just replace what's needed. Occasionally people complain that their tech replaced stuff other than what they thought was needed. You should ask the owner first and with the go ahead make necessary improvements as needed and when all's done play We Built This City.
- chief mushroom cloud
- Posts: 429
- Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:42 pm
- Location: Peenemunde CA
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
D.
I have customers that vary on their views of voodoo, ooga booga, and what adds value to a vintage amp.
I don't argue with them either. They're generally stupid anyway. Good players. Just stupid.
I have customers that vary on their views of voodoo, ooga booga, and what adds value to a vintage amp.
I don't argue with them either. They're generally stupid anyway. Good players. Just stupid.
Don't overthink it. Just drink it.
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I can't see that it's possible to warranty an amp that got carbon comps and electrolytics in their 4th or 5th decade.
If the end result is to be a giggable amp, they have to be replaced.
Otherwise I'll need paying every time it's brought back with a new problem that needs chasing down.
Pete
If the end result is to be a giggable amp, they have to be replaced.
Otherwise I'll need paying every time it's brought back with a new problem that needs chasing down.
Pete
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
- JazzGuitarGimp
- Posts: 2357
- Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:54 pm
- Location: Northern CA
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I lock the client in a room and play we build this city for them at 125dB for the time it takes me to make the repairs. I go ape shit and do whatever I want with their amp. I find when I open the door and let the client out, they tend to just pay me whatever I tell to them pay without asking any questions.
Lou Rossi Designs
Printed Circuit Design & Layout,
and Schematic Capture
Printed Circuit Design & Layout,
and Schematic Capture
- chief mushroom cloud
- Posts: 429
- Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:42 pm
- Location: Peenemunde CA
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I DEFINITELY have to try thisJazzGuitarGimp wrote:I lock the client in a room and play we build this city for them at 125dB for the time it takes me to make the repairs. I go ape shit and do whatever I want with their amp. I find when I open the door and let the client out, they tend to just pay me whatever I tell to them pay without asking any questions.
Don't overthink it. Just drink it.
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
My rule is I get to do whatever I think is best. That said, what I think is best tends to be obsessively conservative. I replace all the electrolytics, but I do put the new ones inside the old cardboard sleeves (even the bypass caps). I replace CCs only if they are noisy. Same rule for coupling caps; replace them only only if they leak too much (like most Astrons, unfortunately), using 6Ps or M150s. I don't like to replace pots; if I have to, I'll dismantle them and bend the wiper so it contacts a new "stripe" of the carbon track. With basket case pots, I have occasionally replaced the carbon track wafer, but kept everything else. Everything has to be reversible (no new eyelets, etc.). And, of course, the client gets everything back.
- VacuumVoodoo
- Posts: 924
- Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:27 pm
- Location: Goteborg, Sweden
- Contact:
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I don't do "museum quality" restorations. For that I would have to read aloud suitable passages from the Book of Dead.
I do vintage upgrades to a better technical condition then what it was when it left the factory. Just did a 1971 JMP Tremolo. Replaced the tag board as the original had swatches of carbonized areas. Rewired and rerouted grounding, no more hum. Corrected the tremolo to give 2Hz to 12Hz modulation range. It's still the "fake echo" and stutter like it should be. Rewired mains and HV cabling to current safety norms. Kept original signal caps i.e. only the ones that were healthy. Carbon resistors went out. Renovated original pots. Did I mention new filter caps? Owner gladly paid my price. "It sounds now like it was meant to sound".
He also asked me to put a sticker with my name and date on the chassis. Nice.
You want a "nothing replaced" restoration? Sorry, I'm not a miracle business.
I do vintage upgrades to a better technical condition then what it was when it left the factory. Just did a 1971 JMP Tremolo. Replaced the tag board as the original had swatches of carbonized areas. Rewired and rerouted grounding, no more hum. Corrected the tremolo to give 2Hz to 12Hz modulation range. It's still the "fake echo" and stutter like it should be. Rewired mains and HV cabling to current safety norms. Kept original signal caps i.e. only the ones that were healthy. Carbon resistors went out. Renovated original pots. Did I mention new filter caps? Owner gladly paid my price. "It sounds now like it was meant to sound".
He also asked me to put a sticker with my name and date on the chassis. Nice.
You want a "nothing replaced" restoration? Sorry, I'm not a miracle business.
Aleksander Niemand
------------------------
Life's a party but you get invited only once...
affiliation:TUBEWONDER AMPS
Zagray!-review
------------------------
Life's a party but you get invited only once...
affiliation:TUBEWONDER AMPS
Zagray!-review
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
What Pete and Aleksander said. I present the owner the option. Guaranteed or as original as possible.
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I discuss what needs to be done to the amp with the owner.
If it doesn't work, then troubleshooting follows.
I few times when presented with an amp that doesn't even pass audio, I first have to get it to work then consider options for better reliability.
It really depends on how knowledgeable the client is about amps.
Do the safety upgrades, electrolytics if needed, clip death cap, etc.
I for sure wouldn't rip out all the caps and replace them with orange drops, unless he insisted.
If it doesn't work, then troubleshooting follows.
I few times when presented with an amp that doesn't even pass audio, I first have to get it to work then consider options for better reliability.
It really depends on how knowledgeable the client is about amps.
Do the safety upgrades, electrolytics if needed, clip death cap, etc.
I for sure wouldn't rip out all the caps and replace them with orange drops, unless he insisted.
Tom
Don't let that smoke out!
Don't let that smoke out!
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I replace only what is needed. Musicians can be a discerning lot to the point of neurosis. Early on I learned my lesson after having switched some old cathode bypass caps in a vintage Twin (following factory instructions and thinking I was doing the fellow a favor). Two minutes after he powered up the guy tells me the amp is completely different and to put it back.
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
Hope you saved the old parts somewhere safe!
Yes, I guess most techs have been there; it's a good precaution to save all parts, but how to identify which 25uF/25V cap came off which cathode, or which 100k came from which plate?
I guess the best we can do is explain that the tone may change, before we start.
Generally their faces light up when they hear their amp brought back to life and vitality, but it's easy to feel crushed when the odd one is incensed that it doesn't sound like it did 'just before it failed' and insist you put it all back, except for the part that completely failed. OK, that 100k is more like 1M, that coupling cap is leaking dc etc, what do you want me to do?
Pete
Yes, I guess most techs have been there; it's a good precaution to save all parts, but how to identify which 25uF/25V cap came off which cathode, or which 100k came from which plate?
I guess the best we can do is explain that the tone may change, before we start.
Generally their faces light up when they hear their amp brought back to life and vitality, but it's easy to feel crushed when the odd one is incensed that it doesn't sound like it did 'just before it failed' and insist you put it all back, except for the part that completely failed. OK, that 100k is more like 1M, that coupling cap is leaking dc etc, what do you want me to do?
Pete
https://www.justgiving.com/page/5-in-5-for-charlie This is my step son and his family. He is running 5 marathons in 5 days to support the research into STXBP1, the genetic condition my grandson Charlie has. Please consider supporting him!
-
gingertube
- Posts: 531
- Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:29 am
- Location: Adelaide, South Oz
Re: A quick multiple option 1 question quiz re: your approach
I do a lot of restorations of tube guitar and HiFi Amps.
Mostly I do D) as many of the guys above have said - except for electrolytic caps, they get changed, every single one of them, high voltage B+ supply and cathode bypass alike. If the existing electrolytics are really old then, Yes, that will change the sound, it will improve it out of sight.
Cheers,
Ian
Mostly I do D) as many of the guys above have said - except for electrolytic caps, they get changed, every single one of them, high voltage B+ supply and cathode bypass alike. If the existing electrolytics are really old then, Yes, that will change the sound, it will improve it out of sight.
Cheers,
Ian
-
Kinkless Tetrode 66
- Posts: 44
- Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:35 pm
- Location: Berlin