Help Me Choose a Tube Set with a $600 budget for my SSS

[ER]

Hi Max-

I'm not sure what Mr. Dave had on the back of those snake skin cabinets with the Vox cloth hence the ital. "may". In the El-rayo-x days with the SSS here on the west coast club scene it was a wall of gear and crowded on stage so even the open backs would be approaching infinite baffle.

As for the 4x12, I assumed split from the looks but never been inside one. Do you know the bracing scheme inside, and why the separate rear panels? Split up panel resonance? I alway thought it was like the old boogie "half-backs", so you could run sealed bottom/open top or combinations there of.


Here's Sherwood balls cab for ref;

http://www.shop-online.jp/otohane/index ... PHPSESSID=
(Man that's alota screws!)

and a "halfback";
[img:325:300]http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/0/4/ ... 111_tp.jpg[/img]
Thanks, Erik

[Max]

what Mr. Dave had on the back of those snake skin cabinets with the Vox cloth

Erik, AFAIR the snake skin is a usual open back oval hole "pole inversion" cabinet.

Do you know the bracing scheme inside, and why the separate rear panels? I alway thought it was like the old boogie "half-backs".

As you see on the picture of Sherwood Ball's Dumble 4x12" cabinet it has a crossbar between the upper and the lower speaker baffle. The same kind of crossbar you find on the back. And AFAIR the cross bar on the front and the cross bar on the back are connected by a third bar that is positioned inside the cabinet between the middle of the front crossbar and the middle of the back crossbar. So AFAIR these three bars are connected like the lines of an H. And because of the crossbar at the back there are two back panels. AFAIR these two panels on the back are braced on their internal sides. AFAIR these braces run parallel from the top of these back panels to the bottom of these back panels.

AFAIK the Dumble 4x12" cabinets are designed to be used as a closed back cabinet and not with one of the back panels removed as shown in the picture of the Boogie cabinet you posted. But on the other hand: If someone should like to use a Dumble 4x12" with one or both of its back panels removed - why not?


@bigwebb83:

If it's no "must" for you that the dimensions of the speaker cabinet are of some kind looking nice when the amp is placed on the top of the cabinet and you like transportability and flexibility you could perhaps consider these three 1x12" cabinets, too:
The Thiele version of the Dumble 1x12 like the one Larry Carlton uses loaded with an EVM-12L. Example: http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... /front.jpg (or a replica e.g. http://www.glaswerks.com/GW112TH.htm ).
An EV TL806 cabinet http://hf-antenna.com/Flotsam/EV/ElectroVoice_TL806.pdf loaded with an EVM-12L.
A Bag End S12-D or S12-B http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/bag-end-s12-b/8152 http://www.bagend.com/
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/310312.html http://www.fullcompass.com/product/295723.html

All these 1x12" cabinets are IMO suited to be combinend with a 100W SSS original or replica with an OT that matches the impedance of these 1x12" speaker cabinets close enough. And when wanted or needed - e.g. because of the size of some venue etc - you can perhaps add a second one or combine a Bag End S12 with a Bag End S15 http://www.fullcompass.com/product/310301.html (Bag End instrument speaker cabinets are designed to be stacked) if you should like to further extend the low end response.

And as I already posted: IMO no written eternal rules exist in the realm of tone with the exception of one: Do whatever you personally like best.

The sounds and voices of the electric guitar as we know them today might not exist if the guitar players in the sixties and seventies would always have listened to what the technical experts and recording engineers etc had told them concerning what sounds good and what bad.

Cheers,

Max

[wjdunham]

Here they are Bill

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 812#217812

here is a grouping of all the clips I've done messing with the amp. http://soundcloud.com/bigwebb83/sets/ce ... ss-clips-1

Thanks, I took a good listen last night. What's going on in clip #4 from about 11s to 20s. The single note stuff sounds fine, but when you play the chords and dig in a bit is where I hear some intermodulation artifacts, either that or your guitar/intonation is out of tune. Is this what you mean when you said in your original post you wanted to tighten up the low end because it seemed a bit flubby. I hear this in a few other clips someone posted over on TGP as well. Would be good to hear some clips with the gain cranked and play some heavy chords with the neck pickup, this is were an amp is going to have trouble, but also where the SSS should shine.

Bill

[talbany]

Here they are Bill

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 812#217812

here is a grouping of all the clips I've done messing with the amp. http://soundcloud.com/bigwebb83/sets/ce ... ss-clips-1

Thanks, I took a good listen last night. What's going on in clip #4 from about 11s to 20s. The single note stuff sounds fine, but when you play the chords and dig in a bit is where I hear some intermodulation artifacts, either that or your guitar/intonation is out of tune. Is this what you mean when you said in your original post you wanted to tighten up the low end because it seemed a bit flubby. I hear this in a few other clips someone posted over on TGP as well. Would be good to hear some clips with the gain cranked and play some heavy chords with the neck pickup, this is were an amp is going to have trouble, but also where the SSS should shine.

Bill

Bill
I hear it too..This can be a real issue when building a clean amp (ask Fender)..Parts selection/layout dress is crucial..(you can't always put together an amp that you think might sound good) Certain parts can add a nice sparkle to the tone of the amp..However some of these parts don't or cant make the transition to grind sound pleasing..You get all sorts of clashing harmonics when you dig in and distortion appears..Some tubes might not sound as bad but,it's still there..Sounds like what could be happening here..IMO

Tony

[Structo]

I won't answer for bigwebb83 but on clip #4 he is using an Aluminum Falcon which is supposed to be a Klone klone.

That may affect the phasing.

[wjdunham]

I won't answer for bigwebb83 but on clip #4 he is using an Aluminum Falcon which is supposed to be a Klone klone.

That may affect the phasing.

That's definitely not a phasing we're hearing there Tom. If it were, noone would ever use that effect
Bill

[aflynt]

No offense to bigwebb83, but it sounds more like a tuning or intonation issue with the "b" string, personally. I hear it at the end of clip 1 too when he plays that same IV/I triad figure.

-Aaron

[bigwebb83]

No offense to bigwebb83, but it sounds more like a tuning or intonation issue with the "b" string, personally. I hear it at the end of clip 1 too when he plays that same IV/I triad figure.

-Aaron

none taken. I think that is the issue. I am the worlds worst for just getting a feeling and turning on the microphone without tuning first. I have also been experimenting with a floating trem on the grosh WITHOUT locking tuners. This has made it hard to keep in tune. I think I'm just going to deck it again. And from now on I will try to stay tuned up. Good call.

[bigwebb83]

bump for some more advice.