converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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groovtubin
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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212Mavguy wrote:please 'scuse the intrusion, my .02...

Just took delivery yesterday of my C-tone SSS ordered delivered sans tubes. Running it through a slotback bluesbreaker sized ex- Peavey Mace 2/12 combo cab loaded with a pair of JBL g125's in series, 16 ohms, closed off the chassis slot in front, fabbed back baffles 3 1/2 inch slot in line with VC centerlines all the way across. Lots of other 2/12's 1/15's, a Leslie G27 and a 2/15 to pick from as well.

V6-V9 sweaty Svetty 6l6gc's 3%match, 37mv reading on my DVM.

V5 Raytheon long black plate rectangular getter 12ax7, strong tight triode match

V4 NOS RCA labeled Tungsram 12ax7

V3 NOS Sylvania black full plate 12at7 double mica milspec

V2 VOS Hoges labeled Tungsram 12ax7

V1 VOS Tung Sol 12ax7 longplate rectangular getter halo

I'm getting the tones that the circuit is designed to deliver and then some, and with the range and interactivity of the tone controls plus the use of my Hilton volume pedal in front, it's like having a rhythm channel plus three distinctly different solo voices/channel settings to go with it. With a C-lator in the loop (VOS Siemens longplate 12ax7) this best can easily deliver great tones at smaller room venue volumes, but why play this topology with the master cranked down to nearly nothing when the original was designed to be played loudly? No attenuator needed with C-lator, but without I'd not hesitate to use my Weber Mass 100 to take things down a few clicks, no need to choke the chicken to the point to where it won't squawk...modest volume, modest attenuation settings are the way to go. My MASS custom ordered balanced line out, with Vol TMB tonestack between the amp and the main board, player operated on the MASS front panel, slick.

Mod this circuit to another? Nuts! Mine is awesome to play through, decent tubes, appropriate speaker/cab, appropriate bias settings and front panel knob settings, nothing wierd, ... all happy here! It is incredibly adaptable to many different styles, the jazz switch makes acoustic/electrics, hollow and semi hollowbodies sound especially sweet.

It's one thing to read about something and have it sound really cool in print, it's a whole new ball game when one shows up on your doorstep, completed or a trickle of parts arriving over months filling a BOM wish list being assembled with great persistence and effort, fired up for the first time...after sizeable monetary cost to have that privelege... you'd better know what your buying in the first place and do your homework first, because it sure is going to be exactly what it is when it shows up, and if it doesn't fit in right because you failed to have an appropriate application for it in your little limited world of guitar playing it's your fault, not the circuit's.

This was a great lesson to me, this particular dose of a "new unique" to me to originally own and for the first fireup personally voice beforehand from my modest collection of cabs and tubes, and I do really love this amp! The success did not come without setbacks and surprises, I had used 6bg6ga's with adapters with great results in my OTS and HRM 50w heads, not so with the SSS

Don't even think about trying adapted 6bg6ga's with this amp they won't work with it at all. Found out the hard way but no harm done, at anything but very low volumes...oscillation city and worse. Great for a fire alarm...the sonic equivalent of someone experiencing a grand mal seizure, and every bit as frightening to be around.

I'm admittedly a cork sniffin' tube snob weenie but couldn't care less whether the half power switch works by triode strapping the 6l6's or not, it's a warmer, bubbly sound result, very approprate to lower volumes, evocative of smaller, more intimate venues with their wealthy patrons, wives, or cosmetically enhanced trophy dates. and .... Surprise! The knobs still work to fine tune it right where you want it at half power.

The uniqueness of this circuit greatly rewards the player who actually knows how it operates in order to quickly adapt to get the best mix of the unusually interactive control settings for various venues, IMHO. It deserves to be played out.

respectfully submitted,

Gary
Thanks for the review! Really glad its makin you happi! I stuck #4 circuit in a Fender quad reverb, tricked it out, and am REALLY happi, esp with a Eric Johnson fuzz into a ts-10!! ;) It ALMOST rivals my HRM in feel, tone, gain ,set-up like this..etc..love it, great to change up!

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212Mavguy
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

Post by 212Mavguy »

Thank you. I can't call it a review, what I wrote did not even come clost to AG guidelines and hundreds of past examples for what a good review is, I did not get the chassis out, use my DVM to measure voltages, nor did I post gutshots.

I did share my impressions because I have read and learned a lot here, it's a lurking, apprentice-ing member's duty to contribute something which is appropriate in content for a topic.

I sure learned a lot the last couple days, got to play and own a third, different D-style amp, fun fun fun! and...

new amp, new guitar player... 8)

peace.
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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So is Ceriatone's SSS schematic/layout available somewhere ?
Paul
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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wicker wrote:So is Ceriatone's SSS schematic/layout available somewhere ?
Not that I am aware.. It would be nice to see Nik post it here since he has taken so much info from us he could at least return the favor..

Tony
" The psychics on my bench is the same as Dumble'"
bigwebb83
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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Did the recommended eq pot changes from Nik and it put the amp right where I wanted it. The controls are in a much more useable range. Gary, I wouldn't doubt if your amp came with the values that mine has in there now. I'm really loving the amp. Looking forward to rotating some tubes through there as well. I may just do a carbon copy of your tube setup and see how I like that.
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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bigwebb83 wrote:Did the recommended eq pot changes from Nik and it put the amp right where I wanted it. The controls are in a much more useable range. Gary, I wouldn't doubt if your amp came with the values that mine has in there now. I'm really loving the amp. Looking forward to rotating some tubes through there as well. I may just do a carbon copy of your tube setup and see how I like that.
Glad ta see it worked out, did you use the same tech i talked to your dilemna about?

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bigwebb83
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

Post by bigwebb83 »

groovtubin wrote:
bigwebb83 wrote:Did the recommended eq pot changes from Nik and it put the amp right where I wanted it. The controls are in a much more useable range. Gary, I wouldn't doubt if your amp came with the values that mine has in there now. I'm really loving the amp. Looking forward to rotating some tubes through there as well. I may just do a carbon copy of your tube setup and see how I like that.
Glad ta see it worked out, did you use the same tech i talked to your dilemna about?

jim@Omegaamps

yes thanks!
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

Post by 212Mavguy »

@BW,

Would not be surprised after a couple rolling seshes given the same variety of tubes in a given lot, if you ended up liking something quite different in your tube cocktail than mine, has to work with YOUR axes, cabs, and ears. Fun to do, and the tones you get are all yours, not the "store bought" ones for you, sir...

:shock: :twisted: :lol: 8)
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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AtomCap wrote:
amplifiednation wrote:
M Fowler wrote:SSS #4 is available for $125,000.

http://www.maverick-music.com/vintage-a ... g-singer-4
I don't think its available anymore!!! :shock:

it was just a matter of time before someone with some Coin bought the amp, Any smart builder could buy it, Reverse engineer it , enjoy it for a little bit and sell it off, continue to cash in on the circuit which is probably what will happen to #4.....

What I thought was most interesting was the spelling on the back of the amp "AMLIFIERS"... No P, for $125,000 you get no P....

taylor did a great job replicating the headbox I must say..
Thanks! I'm now building a matching 2x12 for #4!!!
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bigwebb83
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

Post by bigwebb83 »

here's some noodling around with the amp after I got it revoiced. Please excuse all the clams, just trying to demonstrate the amp. Aluminum falcon clean boost in front.

http://soundcloud.com/bigwebb83/ceriato ... ing-with-1
bigwebb83
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Re: converting a ceriatone SSS from #4 spec to #2 spec?

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Another clip, Monsterpiece stud vs. Aluminum Falcon vs No pedal.

http://soundcloud.com/bigwebb83/aluminum-falcon-vs
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