ToneMerc wrote: .......... To all the "Steven Segals" that think those unarmed folks could or should have done differently, ask yourself this ....how many times have you been shot at from relatively close range ?
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Good points, one and all.
To answer your question .......... once. I got hit with a .22 slug in the calf of my leg as I was running away from the shooter. I was maybe 25 to 30 yards away when hit ...... hard to tell distance when you're running through brush. Later, I dug it out with a pocketknife (not very deep) and bandaged it with a strip of cloth torn from my t-shirt.
This clown isn't your average bear; his technical level of expertise and the layered complexity back at his lair is uncommon.
There has been more than one statement that he hasn't been seen much in the past few weeks, now even the dumbest groundhog will have more than one escape hole. If he hasn't been around his apartment much, where has he been?
If that theater exit door had contact sensors, I would love to see a report of how many times that exit has been opened and proped open while a movie has been playing in the past 6 months.
All good points but if 20 or 30 folks are armed and start returning fire The attacker isn't going to make it far.
Most folks round here are pretty well trained with firearms.When you start handling them when you're 5 years old you feel pretty comfortable with one.I Imagine this is not the case in urban areas.
cbass wrote:All good points but if 20 or 30 folks are armed and start returning fire The attacker isn't going to make it far.
The crossfire of 20-30 people all around him trying to shoot the poorly seen assailant in the chaos of a dark, smoke-filled theater couldn't have had a downside? No one would make it far, especially when you don't know when the other responding shooters are with the original assailant or not. Dark, smoke filled theater with people screaming all around, you'll recall.
There aren't any easy solutions to prevent this sort of tragedy. In daylight with armed and trained folks about, a determined crazy person can cause a significant tragedy before anyone can respond.
Watching out for the mental health of our neighbors and the civility of our society might be the best thing we can do in the end.
cbass wrote:
Most folks round here are pretty well trained with firearms.When you start handling them when you're 5 years old you feel pretty comfortable with one.I Imagine this is not the case in urban areas.
Maybe, but growing up hunting unarmed critters all your life and hunting heavily armed humans that shoot back and are totally different situations....trust me
Once we get outside the firearm fallacy of TV and the ocassional "suspect shoot" video on YouTube, there's more missed shots that hits in real gunfights.The skill based requirements to obtain a CHL or CCW permit in most states is pathetic. Some of them is no more than if you can read, you can literally get a permit.
Do you think all of the men that fought against King George III in the American Revolution could read? The 2nd amendment is in place to prevent government intrusion on a person's right to kill game, defend himself against human or animal predators or tyrannical government. A person should be able to handle and use a firearm safely. Second Amendment doesn't specify shots in the X ring.
This right was so obvious that it wasn't specifically included in the Constitution. But some insisted on inclusion of the amendments we know as the bill of rights as a condition for ratification.
My point here is: it is easy to lose sight of America's founding principles with fees, taxes, tests, licensing, and the constant drone of talking heads on the news. Our founders decreed this right to be a pre-existing right from God and not subject to limitation by statuatory law. What has happened in 200+ years is a slow erosion of this liberty.
Once we get outside the firearm fallacy of TV and the ocassional "suspect shoot" video on YouTube, there's more missed shots that hits in real gunfights.The skill based requirements to obtain a CHL or CCW permit in most states is pathetic. Some of them is no more than if you can read, you can literally get a permit.
Do you think all of the men that fought against King George III in the American Revolution could read? The 2nd amendment is in place to prevent government intrusion on a person's right to kill game, defend himself against human or animal predators or tyrannical government. A person should be able to handle and use a firearm safely. Second Amendment doesn't specify shots in the X ring.
This right was so obvious that it wasn't specifically included in the Constitution. But some insisted on inclusion of the amendments we know as the bill of rights as a condition for ratification.
My point here is: it is easy to lose sight of America's founding principles with fees, taxes, tests, licensing, and the constant drone of talking heads on the news. Our founders decreed this right to be a pre-existing right from God and not subject to limitation by statuatory law. What has happened in 200+ years is a slow erosion of this liberty.
rob
Rob, why the non-applicable retort about the Constitutional right to bear arms? Obviously my point was skill based practical training in dealing with deadly threats. For example, taking a 2 hour online class on firearms safety that in some states meet the requirement CCW offers very little value in practical firearms defensive skillcraft. Don't confuse your pure 2nd Ammendment right with practical skills, as with common sense, they aren't automatic.
FYI, if you really want to get a feeling of what the founding Fathers had to say about the right to bear arms, I suggest you read The Second Ammendment Primer. I use to give them out as prizes when I was teaching civi CCW courses 10-12 years ago.
In my town in 1928 A jealous lover blew up the dance hall on the square killing 30 people.So I guess crazy people killingfolks is nothing new with or with out a gun.
Here is some photos http://www.kspr.com/news/local/myozarks ... otogallery
