Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
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- milkyBK370
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Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Hi, I'm currently building a Princeton-inspired amp based on Ceriatone's layout and design. I'm having real trouble laying my hand on a 47 Ohm, 3 watt CC resistor that's used for the NFB control. I had a look at my parts inventory and I have a metal film resistor which matches the resistance and power values. My question is, how much affect will using a metal film resistor, rather than the CC resistor, cause? Do you think there would be an audible difference? Are there any other factors I should be aware of?
I'm using this layout.. http://ceriatone.com/images/layoutPic/f ... iatone.jpg
And this is the MF resistor I'm proposing to use.
http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/IRC/ ... jweQ%3d%3d
Mouser and Farnell don't seem to have a CC resistor @47r, 3w.
Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated.
I'm using this layout.. http://ceriatone.com/images/layoutPic/f ... iatone.jpg
And this is the MF resistor I'm proposing to use.
http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/IRC/ ... jweQ%3d%3d
Mouser and Farnell don't seem to have a CC resistor @47r, 3w.
Any help/advise would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Just a guess: it won't hiss as much.
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diagrammatiks
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
there's really no reason why that has to be a 3 watt resistor.
Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
And there will be no audible difference between a MF and a CC in that position. None, nada, zilch, zero.
Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Maybe it was done that way following conventional wisdom that with Carbon Composition resistors, one should go high wattage for lower noise?diagrammatiks wrote:there's really no reason why that has to be a 3 watt resistor.
As Jana said though, it matters not in that NFB position.
- milkyBK370
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
This is why I love this forum. No BS, just good advice when its needed. Thanks very much.
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diagrammatiks
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
it doesn't matter in that position. There's the nfb pot and even if that pot was shorted there's still the 6k8 resistor forming a voltage divider with the 47ohm resistor. There's almost no voltage drop there.NickC wrote:Maybe it was done that way following conventional wisdom that with Carbon Composition resistors, one should go high wattage for lower noise?diagrammatiks wrote:there's really no reason why that has to be a 3 watt resistor.
As Jana said though, it matters not in that NFB position.
Also higher resistances are more susceptible to noise.
If noise was a concern then the 6k8 should be 3 watts as well.
But, it's just a tiny amount of nfb that the resistor type there shouldn't matter at all.
- milkyBK370
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
OK, so I have another stupid question but I'm gonna embarrass myself and ask it anyway.
The PT I have is the Hammond 290AEX (UK 240v primary). I have a question relating to the data sheet below:
http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/EDB290AEX.pdf
Using this layout...
http://ceriatone.com/images/layoutPic/f ... iatone.jpg
There are two black primary wires on the PT. Does it matter which of these I connect to the Neutral pin of the IEC and which to the power switch? The layout is clearly marked 0 volts to the neutral IEC socket pin and the other wire to the switch. There is no way to tell the two black wires on the PT apart so I can connect them either way. Right?
The PT I have is the Hammond 290AEX (UK 240v primary). I have a question relating to the data sheet below:
http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/EDB290AEX.pdf
Using this layout...
http://ceriatone.com/images/layoutPic/f ... iatone.jpg
There are two black primary wires on the PT. Does it matter which of these I connect to the Neutral pin of the IEC and which to the power switch? The layout is clearly marked 0 volts to the neutral IEC socket pin and the other wire to the switch. There is no way to tell the two black wires on the PT apart so I can connect them either way. Right?
- martin manning
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Correct, no polarity to worry about.
- milkyBK370
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Thanks mate. The pdf needs to be more specific for a n00b like me!
- milkyBK370
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
Oh, one more thing. The layout screen/shield on the layout. I don't seem to have a wire from the pt for that. I have the red/yellow wire grounded but have everything connected now. No 'E' as referred to in the layout.
- martin manning
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
That PT just doesn't have a shield ground wire, so just ground the red-yellow HV CT. I see there is no CT on the 6.3V winding either, so you'll want to add two 100R resistors to ground, one from each side of the heater circuit for a ground reference, or it will hum. If your layout looks like the C-tone, you can put one from pin 7 on the left-most 6V6 to the nearby ground lug with the 1R on it, and the other one from pin 2 on the other 6V6 to the ground lug over there.
- milkyBK370
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Re: Ceriatone Prinzetone Clone
OK. Thanks for the advice.