Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
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Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
I'm stumped. As the subject reads, only one leg glows and it happens gradually over about 5 mins after B+ is switched on. It's not the coupling cap and it's not the grid-leak resistor, those have been checked /replaced and the problem persists. I have swapped tubes as well, only the tubes connected to the bad leg glow, regardless of which ones they are. I have one clue, which is that the grid voltage on the bad side gradually climbs from zero and the red-plating occurs at ~4-5 volts positive at idle. I feel like this should be a dead giveaway... but for what I don't know!
Drew
			
			
									
									
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
Is this a new build or a new issue on a previously stable amp?
			
			
									
									
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
It's a stable build but I recently changed out the power transformer (I was worried about the previous one's ability to supply adequate current since it used to be a two-bottle rocket). It worked fine for a short period after the swap but now this is happening. I do not suspect the PT but I can't explain the problem so I'm open to suggestions. I've double checked all PT connections and all voltages are nominal save for the climbing grid voltage.
			
			
									
									
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Did you check the screen resistor......what value are you using? 
Not a fan of 100 ohms - doesn't provide much protection and a rocket is biased hot already....... A bad screen resistor will plate one tube.
Can we assume voltages are comparable to previous?
			
			
													Not a fan of 100 ohms - doesn't provide much protection and a rocket is biased hot already....... A bad screen resistor will plate one tube.
Can we assume voltages are comparable to previous?
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
Value is 120r. I did check it when B+ was off and it was correct. Is it  possible that those are drifting? I'll try to find some replacements.
			
			
									
									
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Let us know how that goes... 
I like 1k on the screens because the Rocket is biased so hot.
			
			
									
									
						I like 1k on the screens because the Rocket is biased so hot.
Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
Let us know how that goes... 
I like 1k on the screens because the Rocket is biased so hot.
			
			
									
									
						I like 1k on the screens because the Rocket is biased so hot.
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
No luck, replaced 120s with 1ks and the same thing happens. Something interesting is happening now though... I lifted the wire bringing voltage to the screen on one tube on the bad leg. I ran the amp with no signal and monitored the voltage at the grids, of which there was none. Then I replaced the wire and ran it again, and the problem has shifted to the other leg... This has got to be a clue for somebody in the know! Right now I think it's possible that these tubes have a problem at their current bias and I'm going to bring up the value on the bias resistor to cool them off a bit.
Drew
			
			
									
									
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
Have you looked closely around the tube sockets and made sure that no solder or metal has fallen from the tranny swap?
			
			
									
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
When you say "lifted the wire bringing voltage to the screen" what do you mean?  Do you have wires running from your screen resistors to pin 9 on your EL84s?
			
			
									
									
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Check bias  cap on the output as well. What do you have in here for bias cap and res. ? Also the 220k's to ground and the cut circuit , everything running back to the coupling caps.
			
			
									
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Re: Rocket red-plating on one phase leg...
Larry, 
I mean I disconnected it and your assumption is correct. The resistors are board mounted with short wires running to their pins on the sockets.
passfan,
I used what I had on hand for the cathode resistor. It was 2 100r 5w in parallel, but in my attempt to cool the bias a bit, I replaced one with a 150r, bringing the effective cathode resistance up to 60r. The capacitor is a 35v rated 220uf electrolytic. Also, the physical condition of the socket was the first thing I checked.
			
			
									
									
						I mean I disconnected it and your assumption is correct. The resistors are board mounted with short wires running to their pins on the sockets.
passfan,
I used what I had on hand for the cathode resistor. It was 2 100r 5w in parallel, but in my attempt to cool the bias a bit, I replaced one with a 150r, bringing the effective cathode resistance up to 60r. The capacitor is a 35v rated 220uf electrolytic. Also, the physical condition of the socket was the first thing I checked.
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Should be fine thewre. Some of us raise the resistor as high as 75 or 80 ohms to cool the output down , no harm.
			
			
									
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