Kids.. .don't try this at home.

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Kids.. .don't try this at home.

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:oops:

I fired up my SLO Clone today. Since I have no experience with LDR switching I was checkout out the signal path carefully when.....


BOOM


[img:640:359]http://www.patmedia.net/bob-ingram/SLOc ... ownCap.jpg[/img]
[img:640:372]http://www.patmedia.net/bob-ingram/SLOc ... wnCap2.jpg[/img]

Scared the crap outta me

Turns out I wired the 2 220uF/350V screen caps in parallel instead of series. They each took the entire 550V for about 20 minutes before the first one blew. I through out the other.

I'm only posting this as a warning, be careful in these amps. If I'd been looking closer I might have some serious burns now.
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:shock: Glad your OK.

Maybe it's a good time to repeat this for EVERYONE:

Always wear saftey glasses when soldering or poking around in your amps. Even if you think you know what your doing!
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keithrick wrote::shock: Glad your OK.

Maybe it's a good time to repeat this for EVERYONE:

Always wear saftey glasses when soldering or poking around in your amps. Even if you think you know what your doing!
Good point. Even though I though everything checked out on first power up, it blew in about 20 minutes.
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BTW- Thanks for posting! That was a good reminder!

Also, the same applies for power tools! You just can't be too careful, Mr. Burt will attest to that!

FWIW - I hired a guy to finish my drywall / trim in my office and (he does this for a living) was using my Saw to cut some trim. Well he readed across to grab a piece of wood and the blade stopped on his bone! I had to take him to the emergency room.

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A few months ago a friend was using a hole saw on the drill press when he realized, too late, he'd forgotten to clamp the piece down. 2 surgeries and 3 broken bones in his left hand. The same day I was drilling out a chassis without my safety glasses. That won't happen again.

Silly me, when this cap blew my safety glasses were hanging right next to me on the hook.
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oopsy. well, chalk it up to experience, and dont do it again. damnit. glad it worked out.


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Wow man. I'm glad you're okay...
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Whow! Glad nothing happend to you!

This remindes me that I have replaced a PT in a Superreverb and this thing puts out 510V to the plates of the 6L6...better check my screens cap voltage rating.....

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I thought I was the only one who wired caps wrong. :lol: Did you get that nasty smoke cloud and stinky oil all over the place?

Glad you're OK, Bob.
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Yikes! Glad you're safe. Another thing to watch out for with radial PS caps is voltage at the top of the cap. Often there is a metal cap on top of the capacitor that is in the circuit. I did not know this and once touched two caps at once with my left hand. YEOW! 250 volts DC through my fingers.

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I thought that was the little known noise emitting diode ya had there.
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Normster wrote:I thought I was the only one who wired caps wrong. :lol: Did you get that nasty smoke cloud and stinky oil all over the place?

Glad you're OK, Bob.
Yea... I had the windows open all day while I was working here. Wearing a coat and mittens. :roll:
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Greetings,

When on the subject of exploding capacitors, I would like to ask the question to which nobody replied in the discussion about D'Lite amp, and that is, what is the maximal voltage capacity of two first caps in power supply of that amp, really. They use 2x 100uF at 350V each, which means that they ask for 700V total (for a 50uF capacity total), and I am wandering if I could use single 50uF 630V capacity polyprop cap instead of that serial arrangement of 2x350V caps? Meaning, would 50uF 630V cap suffice?

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Sven,
filter caps should be rated for worst case condition:

10% mains overvoltage
no load i.e. on standby with full voltage applied: +5% on PT secondary voltage
add 20% safety margin.

Let's say the PT puts out 325-0-325 under full load, we get from each half of secondary winding with full wave duodiode rectification:

325x1.1x1.05 = 375V rms, this results in peak voltage 375x1.4=525V
20% safety margin requires 525x1.2=630 V capacitor rating

So your 630V rated capacitor is on the spot with 325V PT and should be ok for 345-0345 PT too with a safety margin just below 15%.

Using same PT with CT floating and full wave bridge rectifier will of course demand doubled cap rating.
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