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Structo wrote:Basically what you have with Henry Kaiser ((Permanente) is a rich kid that was able to do pretty much whatever he wanted. He was into weird effects and experimental music quite a bit. To HAD he was probably a cash cow that enabled him to do things he wanted to.
Odd; He's often denied the "Kaiser connection" or at least heavily downplayed it....Hey, more power to him. Who cares who his parents were, whether he's rich or not, etc. He does what he wants musically (clearly...lol) and so what ?

As far as Zoom goes, he's pretty wack. Every year before NAMM he carpet bombed my e-mail accounts (and everyone else on earth from the "to" and "cc" list on his e-mails) about his courses to "teach you the secrets of amp repairs, modifications, and designing, taught by world-renowned expert Billy Zoom". I asked a few people on the coast about him and they said "Billy who" ?
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I am still eternally grateful to the genius of Alexander Dumble. After all... he figured out which cap to change.
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telentubes wrote:I am still eternally grateful to the genius of Alexander Dumble. After all... he figured out which cap to change.
well put :lol:
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M Fowler wrote:
Roadjunkie Here's something to keep in mind. I don't know how long you have been involved with guitars and amp building. I've been involved in them since I was 15 with long long periods of lapses. I've forgotten way more then I ever learned. Billy states this was in 1985 when Alex brought these amps to him to look at. When you consider that almost everything was built off the Fender format with the exception of Vox. Mesa, Marshall and every other conceivable build was based off Fender could Billy have been looking at what he saw as a Twin? We are talking about a time when I was still in my mid twentys and the only guitar I owned was an Ovation Folklore. The realm of possibility exists here.
When you consider that almost everything was built off the Fender format with the exception of Vox. Mesa, Marshall and every other conceivable build was based off Fender
So the 5f6 that became the JTM45 has nothing in common with a VOX AC30 huh? Or making a hot rod Fender and calling it a Mesa Boogie!
Could you like please highlight the part where I said I've forgotten more then I have ever learned? There I'll save you the trouble. I should have done that in my original post. :oops:

That was the other day today I have bigger problems I could be out 3 or 4k because my truck has a cracked cylinder head. Stepping back into the real world I could care less about Billy's statement or HAD's amps. I'm just hoping I don't have to unload the equipment I have to offset this.

Also for all you guys that joined the GDP. Now I realize it was mostly answer the Dumble thread but I wanted to give you a chance to see what that place is all about so I hope you all stick around long enough to make it to one of the Roundups. Now before you get all yippey yi oh ki yah on me this happens in several spots thoughout the country. Between 30 to 50 people at any given event and a large bigger then life presence from Gretsch\FMIC. We've met Fred Gretsch III Joe Carducci who seems to make it to most of these events. Duane Eddy and his wife Deed just showed up at the last Nashville roundup. You can read up on this here http://gretschpages.com/forum/meet-greet/ . I do honestly think you would be surprised by your change in opinions about just who the GDP is. The next one is in Baltimore this coming March.
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GLH,

Welcome to TAG and I hear you on having bigger problems with your truck.

My Ford F150 is on it's second engine, Ford replaced the original and the replacement engine sounds like a sewing machine due to self adjusting lifter rattle. Ford mechanic says I don't hear anything. People at the gas pump say to me you know your putting gasoline in your tank don't you? I respond to them that this is not a diesel :)

I don't care about the Gretsch forum post at all and should stay out of it but the fued back and forth comments on both forums spurred me on I guess. :roll:

I would rather play my Marshall type amps and Fender types then a Dumble because I am not into the tone a Dumble offers RF and LC tones.
The overdrive section of the Dumble is worth using in other designs though.

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M Fowler wrote:GLH,

Welcome to TAG and I hear you on having bigger problems with your truck.

My Ford F150 is on it's second engine, Ford replaced the original and the replacement engine sounds like a sewing machine due to self adjusting lifter rattle. Ford mechanic says I don't hear anything. People at the gas pump say to me you know your putting gasoline in your tank don't you? I respond to them that this is not a diesel :)

I don't care about the Gretsch forum post at all and should stay out of it but the fued back and forth comments on both forums spurred me on I guess. :roll:

I would rather play my Marshall type amps and Fender types then a Dumble because I am not into the tone a Dumble offers RF and LC tones.
The overdrive section of the Dumble is worth using in other designs though.

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Where about are you in Minn. One of the guys used to throw a bash up in Little Falls called the Northwest Jam. The proceeds went to music programs for disadvantaged kids. He had some good results but it got to be too much for him to pull off every year.
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Western part right smack near Fargo, ND.
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I was running out there pretty regular while I was teaching then I had a student roll over my truck in October needless to say I stopped teaching and went back into my own truck. Yeah that wasn't too far from Jukebox who threw those get togethers. There's a large Minn. gang on both Gretsch forums. A lot of good guys up there.
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heisthl wrote:I can't believe no one has chimed in on that BZ thread - One cap change makes a Twin an ODS - wow, makes you also question the statement about being able to design an amp from the ground up without copying any legacy designs. I figure if any one did try and present the facts they would be called a Kool-Aid drinker... Must resist urge to flame idiocy threads :evil:
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roknroll wrote:
heisthl wrote:I can't believe no one has chimed in on that BZ thread - One cap change makes a Twin an ODS - wow, makes you also question the statement about being able to design an amp from the ground up without copying any legacy designs. I figure if any one did try and present the facts they would be called a Kool-Aid drinker... Must resist urge to flame idiocy threads :evil:
Amen
Got to admit after reading the tread from beginning to end i came to the conclusion it was full of Billy Bull Zoom fan boys and jelous premadonnas
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ER wrote: Ironic how a bunch of fakes spout off about authenticity when they never had an original idea in their head.

-ER
Well said!
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