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burkeee
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"Junk" tube amp build

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I recently bought a pile of old non-working radios, mainly to pluck the few ECC83s, EL84s and the iron. I ended up with a big pile of RF tubes too, and decided to challenge myself to make use of the most obscure of them in a guitar amp.

There was a surplus of ECH81s which is a remote cutoff heptode and low mu triode with a common cathode (Datasheet). I spiced and breadboarded lots of ideas and came up with this:

[img:1190:522]https://tubeamparchive.com/files/schem_191.jpg[/img]

I 'pentode' strapped all the heptodes by using G1 as the grid, connecting G3 to the cathode and using G2+G4 as the screen. The preamp starts with a heptode that I scoped at a gain of around 40 while breadboarding, followed by the triode with a plate driven TMB tone stack. The Ra is only about 5k for the triode so it works ok to drive the TS, since a CF is impossible with the common cathode. I measured a gain of about 10 for it.

The common cathode is the biggest problem by far in the phase inverter and power section, because the triodes in the PI and the heptodes in the power amp all share a cathode connection, and the biasing for each is very different. I solved it by using a split cathode resistor where the PI triode grid leaks connect between the two Rks instead of ground. That way the bias for the triodes is set by the first Rk, and the bias for the heptodes is set by both Rks in series. A hefty bypass cap is needed to keep it from oscillating like crazy.

I used a 16 ohm speaker on the 4ohm tap of a 10k OT to get the 40k plate to plate impedance the heptodes needed. Output is somewhere around 3W.

I wanted to build it as cheaply as possible, because even after breadboarding I wasn't sure how it would all work. So 95% of the whole thing is recycled parts. Old SS practice amp chassis and cab, iron, sockets, tag strips, resistors from the radios and caps from junk PCBs. Only new part is a Weber ceramic Blue Pup, the only 8" I could find in 16ohm.

It needs some tweaking still, but sounds quite nice and very unique! The ECH81 is pretty microphonic in the preamp when the gain is cranked, which didn't show up breadboarding but does in the combo.

Not a pretty build at all, but goes to show there is a world beyond the handful of commonly used tube types.
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Wow! Really cool build. Welcome Burkeee...
"Too young to know, too old to listen..."

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Nice to see some of those odd ball tubes going to use. I have a lot of different tubes I get free from various sources usually never any of the audio tubes associated with guitar amps.

Some day I may built something with those tubes.

Thanks for the write up and photos.

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I love pioneering stuff. Got any soundbytes?
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Richie
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some of the best amps come from old iron and parts. I see you used a yamaha carcass. Way back on 18watt, i built a 18 lite in a small SS Vox
donor. Changed the baffle and made a 10" fit..[barley]
Its great to find the old SS amps to use a donars. Some work out really good. You get a chassis.cab.speaker etc..cheap. Find them blow and not working. Dana built an express out of an old Butler head. We called it the Junkyard amp. thing sounds great. Cool build you have.
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Fantastic!
burkeee
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Thanks guys, it was a fun design exercise for sure, got me digging through old books for info and even setup a rig for measuring the plate characteristics since the datasheet didn't include one.

I'm very happy with the PI and power amp design, the remote cutoff tubes give a lot of nice compression and a very smooth overdrive. I think it's fairly unique to have a 3W class AB push/pull too. I also have a switch to choose between a diode rec and a EABC80 tube wired up as a tube rec. The current draw from the multiple screen grids is plenty to get 30-50V of sag from the little radio diode tube. I'm way past the heater to cathode voltage rating tho, so I don't expect that tube to last long. But fun while it lasts, small amp volume levels with big amp feel.

I need to work on the preamp tho, the ringing is driving me nuts. A friend was playing it and he though it was great, but his HF hearing has taken a beating over the years and he didn't hear the ring. I have a push/pull to switch out the triode/tone stack and the ringing goes away, so it seems like it's the triode stage that's at fault. I might try padding down the signal from the heptode stage, and a large value grid stopper and see what happens.

I'll get some sound clips once I've had a chance to fiddle with it some. My free time is usually 10pm-2am because of the wife and kids, so testing at volume is difficult to schedule!
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I finally had a chance to record something on the amp. First couple clean parts are with the tone stack and preamp triode bypassed, so just the heptode into the PI. The dirty parts are with the triode and TS back in, master full and gain set at just before it hits preamp distortion. So the majority of the dirt is from the PI and power tubes.

It was mic'd with a cheap usb mic set a few feet infront of the speaker, and it looses some of the high end.
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burkeee wrote:I finally had a chance to record something on the amp. First couple clean parts are with the tone stack and preamp triode bypassed, so just the heptode into the PI. The dirty parts are with the triode and TS back in, master full and gain set at just before it hits preamp distortion. So the majority of the dirt is from the PI and power tubes.

It was mic'd with a cheap usb mic set a few feet infront of the speaker, and it looses some of the high end.
Nice job. That must have been quite the challenge designing the circuit with the old tubes and little for data.
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