TweedMaster non-HRM

[mat]

Sven, Its only amps and tone we are talking over here. I always try to stay away from these kind of postings but You post made me kind of sad. Please.... I don't know what to say..

[bluesfendermanblues]

Exactly!!

let us stay open to each other and keep all prejudices (nationality, continent, race, religion etc.) out of the equation.

We have a great forum here, where T-wreck and Dumble, amp geeks from all around the world meet to disuss amps and share design ideas. That our common denominator.

Sven, swallow you pride and lets get on talking about amps and tone, Please!

[Sven]

Let me trace back this a bit.

This is EXACTLY what I wrote as my original comment on this thread. Also, very important, this is ALL that I wrote, quote:

Sven: Erwin's amp sounds much better.

- end quote.

Obviously (let us hope), my comment was brief, simple, polite and objective statement of my personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Actually, a well meaning and a friendly statement, to boot.

Now, observe the reply that was written by ¨da Geezer¨ to the above statement that I posted, and think just for a minute about qualifications of ¨da Geezer's¨ response such as ¨un-neccessary, indiscriminate, disproportional, rude, uncalled for, cynical.... etc.¨. Let me remind you, quote:

da Geezer: ¨.... However, I wasn't aware that it was a competition, or I would have tried much harder to impress you, sven.

I searched your posts for links to some of your amp soundclips, but was unable find any.....can you post some links so that we can critique them & you can get in on the competition?¨

- end quote.

Now a note to the members of this forum: If some of you forum memebers post a clip that illustrates the sound of your amplifier and such, kindly make sure to note whether ONLY the ones who like the sound and have posted their sound clipse here before, should comment or are the comments of people who DO NOT like the sound and do not post their clips, also acceptable. That way a simple, polite, objective short comment that I made - ¨Erwin's amp sounds much better¨ - shall not be answered by such a rude reply as quoted above from a member of the forum ¨da Geezer¨.

That would be all.

[10thTx]

this is ALL that I wrote

I wish that had been the case.

You know, you could offer a simple statement that you handled your second comment poorly & offer an apology to Geezer. That would be a gesture of integrity and courage that I would admire and respect.

Geezer is an individual who has shared numerous amp designs. He explains what he is doing and why. He tries new things all the time. He posts about what he is doing. He puts up sound clips to show how different circuits sound. He shares. He contributes. He is creative. The designs he put out there have a level of innovation and he works hard to get the sound he likes. And he shares it. He puts it out there for us to read and use if we choose to do so. He doesn't keep it secret. He puts it out there.

I have read hundreds of Geezer's posts, here and elsewhere. He is always positive. He is respectful. He acknowledges the work of others. I have never seen him post a negative comment about anybody else's amp. He doesn't say his way is the only way. He doesn't say his way is right and everybody else is wrong. If somebody else adapts or modifies his design, he is cool with that.

+1 Geezer is very well respected in the amp building community.

With respect, 10thtx

[HeeBGB]

Sven,

If you notice I didn't say anything about your initial post in this thread. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. You could have stated it in a nicer way but we get what we get.

Your second post however was WAY over the top and totally uncalled for. It was disproportionate to what was said to you and you took it too far.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about someone questioning your studio credentials. Most of us here don't know you so you might want to ease up on that a bit.

In addition, I don't know what type of playback system you've got BUT most of us have small computer speakers so EVERYTHING sounds like a tuna can. Again you might want to ease up there a bit. We're not ALL professionals in the industry.

Let me trace back this a bit.

This is EXACTLY what I wrote as my original comment on this thread. Also, very important, this is ALL that I wrote, quote:

Sven: Erwin's amp sounds much better.

- end quote.

Obviously (let us hope), my comment was brief, simple, polite and objective statement of my personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less. Actually, a well meaning and a friendly statement, to boot.

Now, observe the reply that was written by ¨da Geezer¨ to the above statement that I posted, and think just for a minute about qualifications of ¨da Geezer's¨ response such as ¨un-neccessary, indiscriminate, disproportional, rude, uncalled for, cynical.... etc.¨. Let me remind you, quote:

da Geezer: ¨.... However, I wasn't aware that it was a competition, or I would have tried much harder to impress you, sven.

I searched your posts for links to some of your amp soundclips, but was unable find any.....can you post some links so that we can critique them & you can get in on the competition?¨

- end quote.

Now a note to the members of this forum: If some of you forum memebers post a clip that illustrates the sound of your amplifier and such, kindly make sure to note whether ONLY the ones who like the sound and have posted their sound clipse here before, should comment or are the comments of people who DO NOT like the sound and do not post their clips, also acceptable. That way a simple, polite, objective short comment that I made - ¨Erwin's amp sounds much better¨ - shall not be answered by such a rude reply as quoted above from a member of the forum ¨da Geezer¨.

That would be all.

[Bob Simpson]

Somehow the explanations just make the situation worse...

Nice amp, Geezer. Thanks for sharing.

Bob

[Bob-I]

Sven: Erwin's amp sounds much better.

YOU called his baby ugly... YOU started this.

Please back off, there's no reason for these fights, most of us are amateurs building and playing as a hobby. Building an amp that sounds this good is quite an accomplishment and he should be proud.

If your desire is to communicate with professionals, find somewhere else go go.

[Structo]

Here is some advice for you Sven.
If you don't like something about a clip or amp tone, offer some constructive critisim about how the builder might improve or change the tone for the better.

But I think we can all agree that tone is totally subjective and that one persons cup of tea might not be another's.
So bear that in mind, that the builder may be totally satisfied with his tone.
After all, he is listening to his amp.
You are listening to a sound clip that is compressed, poor quality and most likely over a computer sound system that is not high fidelity.

If you can't offer something constructive then it is best to simply not post anything.

We have a saying here, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

[dreric]

Advise from a master:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DreamLifeCe ... tEugX9yIAU

Personally, I'm grateful for everyone here who shares in a positive and constructive way so,

Thanks Geezer!!!!

Eric

"all attack is a cry for help" , M. Williamson

[Normster]

Cool concept and the clips prove it out. I'm really pleased to see builders taking the Dumble concept beyond "copping Robben's tone." I recall an early quad 6V6 BM build I did a few years ago that was very "un-Dumble" in tone. But every time I played it, it brought a smile to my face. THAT's what it all about!

As far as criticism goes, that's a fine line. At my first amp show, Andy Fuchs came into the Brown Note room and listened to one of my builds for a few minutes. I held (and still hold) Andy in high regard so I was devastated when he said "It has an artifact that I don't care for." At that point, I had two choices, write him off as an asshole, or try to find out what he was hearing so I could make the amp better. Needless to say, I didn't write him off. Note that his criticism was specific. If he had said, "mine sounds better" the outcome would have been different.

[Zippy]

If your desire is to communicate with professionals, find somewhere else go go.

I respectfully disagree, Bob. Professionals don't like that kind of attitude either - regardless of vocation.

[Bob-I]

If your desire is to communicate with professionals, find somewhere else go go.

I respectfully disagree, Bob. Professionals don't like that kind of attitude either - regardless of vocation.

Point taken. Of course I like the fact that professionals come here as well as the hobbiests.

[stelligan]

da Geezer,
Cool sounding amp and playing! Thanks for sharing the details and lineage of your build. I, for one, rather like the sound of a tweed spin on these kind of amps and would be curious to hear what the clean tones are like. My experience with the Dumble style amps I have built and played is their glorious clean tones stay hi-fi clean until they breakup in a not so pleasing way(for me) when they are opened up. The tweed like part gives you a wider variety of breakup, hair, and crunch or what ever you want to call it on the "clean" side. Not a knock on an ODS - those cleans are killer. Perhaps someone can school me on a Dumble that possesses a raunchier clean channel - a 70's perhaps? Something that has clean channel breakup....

Peace

[Drumslinger]

WOW! So which amp was better? I'M KIDDING! I enjoyed the clips from both amps which is why i'm building one myself (working on the chassis right now). That's what this forum is all about...right...new builds, new mods, disecting, analyzing, hybrids, minimize, maximize, knowledge sharing....etc., etc., etc. That's what makes this forum so wonderful. You start out in one direction on a build and then it hits you..."What if i try this at this stage and then instead of that, i do this". If it doesn't work then ya throw it up on the forum and say "Hey guys, this shit is pissing me off and sounds like crap" (not really but i'ts what we think sometimes). Everyone jumps in and aids in the troubleshooting cycle. Sometimes it requires someone outside the box looking in and then at times it just requires a little push in the right direction and the light goes on inside our head. It's addicting yet satisfying!!

[guitardude57]

stelligan,

You want a little more hair on it........play with some high plate values on V1 and 2.

My Bassman 70 convert never really gets that ultra clean. But clean enough for me.....with more than ample grind when you push it.
Love the OD this way too.