Ken's later Liverpool tweaks?

[bcmatt]

Sorry, I am having real trouble finding the thread where Ken wrote a note to someone about altering their liverpool to his latest circuit, but I can't remember what it was now... something like an extra cap and resister in the second (???) preamp stage or something... it's all really foggy to me now, but I sure would like to find that thread again to see about trying it on my liverpool.

After playing it for about a year and a half (as my favourate amp), I'm finally ready to try some of the various tweaks.

Also thinking about trying the other OT primary choice from my Toneslut OT.


Thanks guys....

[selloutrr]

it was posted by glen

[bcmatt]

it was posted by glen

Ah yes, that thought had just occured to me...
Thanks for the pic! This was it!

[JamesHealey]

I'm pretty damn sure later pools had pacific 6k6 ot but this is just speculation for now until it's proven but I'm personally sure he did.

[Allynmey]

I'm pretty damn sure later pools had pacific 6k6 ot but this is just speculation for now until it's proven but I'm personally sure he did.

James, it was the reverse. Earlier ones had 6.6K and later ones have 5.2K. The 6.6K has quicker breakup and sounds bluesy. Funny think is the cleans on the 6.6K ones are nicer when you roll back the volume. It's more of a clean to mean amp. You can use the bright switch with that much easier. Most of the Liverpools I do now are 6.6K by request.

[JamesHealey]

Since pacific never made a 5k2 and ken switched to them in 84 i think you're wrong! It just doesn't add up that he used the 6k6 first. Especially since we know which stancor he used previous to the pacific which was 5k2 for sure.

[rhinson]

Since pacific never made a 5k2 and ken switched to them in 84 i think you're wrong! It just doesn't add up that he used the 6k6 first. Especially since we know which stancor he used previous to the pacific which was 5k2 for sure.

which stancor model did he use prior to the pacific? rh

[Allynmey]

James, a while back, I had an early Liverpool owner measure and visually look at his Liverpool. Stancor 3801. 6.6K. This person had some technical knowledge. I didn't make a big deal online about it then as the person involved didn't want the reprisals from the TW Police! To me, the 3800 will work but, the current handling is a little low compared to the 3801. I made one by request for a TW owner and he loves it. It reminded him of the earlier ones...not as aggressive but, with earlier breakup and wider range of clean to mean.

I personally Like the 6.6K. Nice bluesy sound. When you put the bright switch on the 500pF setting and roll the volume back, you get loud, beautiful cleans...something like a Hiwatt. Very versatile!

[bcmatt]

James, a while back, I had an early Liverpool owner measure and visually look at his Liverpool. Stancor 3801. 6.6K. This person had some technical knowledge. I didn't make a big deal online about it then as the person involved didn't want the reprisals from the TW Police! To me, the 3800 will work but, the current handling is a little low compared to the 3801. I made one by request for a TW owner and he loves it. It reminded him of the earlier ones...not as aggressive but, with earlier breakup and wider range of clean to mean.

I personally Like the 6.6K. Nice bluesy sound. When you put the bright switch on the 500pF setting and roll the volume back, you get loud, beautiful cleans...something like a Hiwatt. Very versatile!

Well! you have me convinced. Today I am swapping to the 6k6 primaries. Been meaning to for a while anyways. Sounds like my ideal sort of tone. I was always hesitant to switch to those 6k6s because I was worried about straying too far from more authentic TW tones. But, I think that ship has sailed already since I'm not sampling heaps of NOS tubes or buying really expensive speakers (WGS ET-65 with a Veteran 30 are working great for me in a home-made 2x12 right now).

I think I am liking the mods on Glen's note too. I'm a little embarrassed to say this too, but I finally put in a 3 position bright switch. For some reason, ever since I built it, I had only had a 2 position in with no centre-off.

Anyways, thanks for the info guys.

[JamesHealey]

Fair play! My liverpool has 6k6 and sounds fantastic. Never used 5k2 on a Liverpool too happy with 6k6 pacific to be bothered trying an heyboer.

[jaysg]

Damn...what did I do with the leads I clipped off Gotta be in a baggie somewhere....

[M Fowler]

I just happen to have my Liverpool torn apart right now because I borrowed the iron this will be a great time to up date the amp to 6k6 and I might rewire the amp as well.

Thanks Allyn and all.

Mark

[bcmatt]

This may be the start of a trend. I think it's just leveling the playing field enough so that people feel free to go with what they actually like the sound of for themselves.
I know when I built mine I would have wanted to go with whatever is closest to authentic, and it seems the trends around here were all overwhelmingly 5k2:
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... ry&start=0

Now I guess it is ok to be 6k6 without losing your Liverpoolness. I'm relieved. heheh

[bcmatt]

Well, I had my Liverpool using 6k6 primaries for a few hours today and just had to switch them back again to the 5k2. Thought it would be for me but I was wrong. It was nice for my Strat, I must admit, but I am a P-90 guy and a need a certain amount of bite and bark that was pretty hard to get without turning down the Gain to below 9 o'clock somewhere. Qyite a bit more difficult to dial in than before. I imagine humbuckers would be having a real tough time cleaning up at all without a very soft touch.


I guess it brought down the headroom and made the strat meaner in the lower gain settings, but I could get that before at around noon on the 5k2.
So, maybe it's just what I've grown used to, but it's also because of my particular liverpool and the guitars I use, but I'll be staying with 5k2 and the amount of punch I feel it gives me. I'm glad I actually have tried them both now though.