I thought only KF had whatever it took to voice a trainwreck and everything else was schmutz...
But all of a sudden, the messiah appears?
It would seem to be one or the other...
Bob
Trainwreck.com change
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JM can walk on water as long as it frozen 
Well there are the real Trainwrecks;
The re-issue Trainwrecks;
and ours!
I have built a few, not pictured are three other heads and two combos.
Well there are the real Trainwrecks;
The re-issue Trainwrecks;
and ours!
I have built a few, not pictured are three other heads and two combos.
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Maybe his time is now, the hype is hard to tell, most of the greats don't need hype the work speaks for it'self. I figured maybe he worked for Ampeg in the golden years and had some hand in one of the great amps of the day. ... what you are saying though is he is the guy that weezled his way into the family, talked the most game, and is now building the amp. Since he has access to all the notes, i guess you are right anybody with a basic soldering skill could turn out an ok to good amp. Just a thought it might be a good time to send a resume to TW, just talk about how fast you can solder and increase productivity.
I'd add one more type of Trainwreck. the tributes the ones that use 98% or more of the original parts based off of an existing amp before the reissues. i.e. glen's two express. Closer to an original then a reissue and clone. but not a true ken tuned TW. the other variable are the amps made int he 90's that were out sourced.
If JM trainwrecks are as mojo as Ken's Trainwrecks. Slap a logo on your clones cause the magic is a joke. It's been said so many times Ken was not able to train anyone else how to tune his amps.
Technically the new TW are wrecks by name. just like the customshop marshall plexi reissues. pretty close but not 100% but since they are made by hand and in small numbers they hold some value but probably will never see collector prices like the originals. Hopefully you purchased the amp to play, If the JM/Trainwreck trust gets hungry and flouds the market or signs a modeling amp deal the value is gone. I'm curious to see what happens when the surplus parts run out.
Mrscratch - really not trying to attack you, I'm happy for you and your new amp. I'm curious about why JM and turn TW's attitude. As a collector of Amps I have a pretty good idea of values I can't say for sure how your investment will mature, just yet. It all depends on the how the new TW company is run. If it was KF's mentor the amp would be worth $$$ instantly and widely excepted, but being that it's basically the same amp we build here, with some NOS parts it's going to a coin flip. The trick is to wait to sell until they are no longer in production.
I'd add one more type of Trainwreck. the tributes the ones that use 98% or more of the original parts based off of an existing amp before the reissues. i.e. glen's two express. Closer to an original then a reissue and clone. but not a true ken tuned TW. the other variable are the amps made int he 90's that were out sourced.
If JM trainwrecks are as mojo as Ken's Trainwrecks. Slap a logo on your clones cause the magic is a joke. It's been said so many times Ken was not able to train anyone else how to tune his amps.
Technically the new TW are wrecks by name. just like the customshop marshall plexi reissues. pretty close but not 100% but since they are made by hand and in small numbers they hold some value but probably will never see collector prices like the originals. Hopefully you purchased the amp to play, If the JM/Trainwreck trust gets hungry and flouds the market or signs a modeling amp deal the value is gone. I'm curious to see what happens when the surplus parts run out.
Mrscratch - really not trying to attack you, I'm happy for you and your new amp. I'm curious about why JM and turn TW's attitude. As a collector of Amps I have a pretty good idea of values I can't say for sure how your investment will mature, just yet. It all depends on the how the new TW company is run. If it was KF's mentor the amp would be worth $$$ instantly and widely excepted, but being that it's basically the same amp we build here, with some NOS parts it's going to a coin flip. The trick is to wait to sell until they are no longer in production.
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who in their right mind would say " hey ! its easy! anyone can do it!" obviously people were protecting their friend/familyBob Simpson wrote:I thought only KF had whatever it took to voice a trainwreck and everything else was schmutz...
But all of a sudden, the messiah appears?
It would seem to be one or the other...
Bob
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i just wish that peoples attack of JM would stop. plus im not a buyer/seller. im a player. seems people are jealous of him, why would you call him a weasel by the way? really ? you guys 12? there is already rip offs of trainwreck in the modeling world,and in the poser world. i dont know you , i dont really want to get in a pissing match with anyone, i just didnt know how bitter these forums were.so if its the same amp you guys build here, then its theft isnt it?selloutrr wrote:Maybe his time is now, the hype is hard to tell, most of the greats don't need hype the work speaks for it'self. I figured maybe he worked for Ampeg in the golden years and had some hand in one of the great amps of the day. ... what you are saying though is he is the guy that weezled his way into the family, talked the most game, and is now building the amp. Since he has access to all the notes, i guess you are right anybody with a basic soldering skill could turn out an ok to good amp. Just a thought it might be a good time to send a resume to TW, just talk about how fast you can solder and increase productivity.
I'd add one more type of Trainwreck. the tributes the ones that use 98% or more of the original parts based off of an existing amp before the reissues. i.e. glen's two express. Closer to an original then a reissue and clone. but not a true ken tuned TW. the other variable are the amps made int he 90's that were out sourced.
If JM trainwrecks are as mojo as Ken's Trainwrecks. Slap a logo on your clones cause the magic is a joke. It's been said so many times Ken was not able to train anyone else how to tune his amps.
Technically the new TW are wrecks by name. just like the customshop marshall plexi reissues. pretty close but not 100% but since they are made by hand and in small numbers they hold some value but probably will never see collector prices like the originals. Hopefully you purchased the amp to play, If the JM/Trainwreck trust gets hungry and flouds the market or signs a modeling amp deal the value is gone. I'm curious to see what happens when the surplus parts run out.
Mrscratch - really not trying to attack you, I'm happy for you and your new amp. I'm curious about why JM and turn TW's attitude. As a collector of Amps I have a pretty good idea of values I can't say for sure how your investment will mature, just yet. It all depends on the how the new TW company is run. If it was KF's mentor the amp would be worth $$$ instantly and widely excepted, but being that it's basically the same amp we build here, with some NOS parts it's going to a coin flip. The trick is to wait to sell until they are no longer in production.
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Weaseled: by definiton a cunning person.
which is probably not correct either, so I'm sorry for that remark.
Honestly I really hope it's an amazing amp! Personally i'm just frustrated by the Trainwreck estate's attitude one minute it's no one else period can make another true Wreck. the next morning it's easy we promise it's the same. WTF?
"Reality check" tunes the rockets. Who tunes the Express, and Liverpool?
which is probably not correct either, so I'm sorry for that remark.
Honestly I really hope it's an amazing amp! Personally i'm just frustrated by the Trainwreck estate's attitude one minute it's no one else period can make another true Wreck. the next morning it's easy we promise it's the same. WTF?
"Reality check" tunes the rockets. Who tunes the Express, and Liverpool?
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Mrs. Cratch...
The question might better be theft by whom?
Either nobody but kf ( the late ) can do it, 'cause kf said so, or the family is pulling a fast one... so not theft, but fraud...
Maybe they should call Hartley... He'll know how to fix it... or Gerald...
Bob
The question might better be theft by whom?
Either nobody but kf ( the late ) can do it, 'cause kf said so, or the family is pulling a fast one... so not theft, but fraud...
Maybe they should call Hartley... He'll know how to fix it... or Gerald...
Bob
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Mrscratch: Do some research on the KF Memorial amp, and perhaps you'll have a better sensitivity to what the people here (and on other forums) feel about this whole scenario.
The KF memorial amp was made in a collaborative effort by many gifted and charitable amp builders, and was basically shunned and suppressed by the Fischer estate into oblivion. The din finally died down, and suddenly it's become not only do-able, but sanctioned-by the family to "make a Trainwreck". That in and of itself, well that's curiously convenient.
The website went from touting that anyone other than Ken was simply not equipped with the ears, knowledge, or whatever magical skills, to "make a true Trainwreck". Suddenly, the website is now a promotional vehicle for JM's resurrection of the Trainwreck name, to the families financial benefit. THAT, smells worse than some parts of NJ to me (and others).
It's not as much a matter of JM's abilities, he could be quite solder slinger. It does come down to the shameless double standard by which the Fischer family appears to be operating. A family with whom Ken never had that great a relationship either. At a reputed 5-K price, there's plenty of green reasons for them to want this to succeed.
That being said, I hope the amp exceeds your expectations.
The KF memorial amp was made in a collaborative effort by many gifted and charitable amp builders, and was basically shunned and suppressed by the Fischer estate into oblivion. The din finally died down, and suddenly it's become not only do-able, but sanctioned-by the family to "make a Trainwreck". That in and of itself, well that's curiously convenient.
The website went from touting that anyone other than Ken was simply not equipped with the ears, knowledge, or whatever magical skills, to "make a true Trainwreck". Suddenly, the website is now a promotional vehicle for JM's resurrection of the Trainwreck name, to the families financial benefit. THAT, smells worse than some parts of NJ to me (and others).
It's not as much a matter of JM's abilities, he could be quite solder slinger. It does come down to the shameless double standard by which the Fischer family appears to be operating. A family with whom Ken never had that great a relationship either. At a reputed 5-K price, there's plenty of green reasons for them to want this to succeed.
That being said, I hope the amp exceeds your expectations.
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look. thats gonna be a grey area forever.those of us that can accept that JM can do it right ,will buy the amp. those that cant ,wont.and then there are those that build their own, and they seem to think they can do it so why not JM?
what has been said has been said. from what i understand, build your own , fine. copy the logo, the sound, the image, then market it, then sell it, not fine
to me , it sounds fantastic. i dont care whether or not its TAG approved.i did, but now i dont. i would have thought that you guys would have been ecstatic
that they were being made again. the only reason that the family comments should affect you is if you are using their property without consent. the express was voiced after JM's own amp,and his own ears. using tubes we picked out. liverpools, im not sure, but im willing to bet that JM has one around .
what has been said has been said. from what i understand, build your own , fine. copy the logo, the sound, the image, then market it, then sell it, not fine
to me , it sounds fantastic. i dont care whether or not its TAG approved.i did, but now i dont. i would have thought that you guys would have been ecstatic
that they were being made again. the only reason that the family comments should affect you is if you are using their property without consent. the express was voiced after JM's own amp,and his own ears. using tubes we picked out. liverpools, im not sure, but im willing to bet that JM has one around .
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i understand that everyones in a uproar right now.both sides. im the guy in the middle trying to show off his brand new shiny amp! thats all
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Mrs cratchBob Simpson wrote:Mrs. Cratch...
The question might better be theft by whom?
Either nobody but kf ( the late ) can do it, 'cause kf said so, or the family is pulling a fast one... so not theft, but fraud...
Maybe they should call Hartley... He'll know how to fix it... or Gerald...
Bob
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Mrscratch,
It seems to me that we have two separate threads going here. In all fairness, the thread did start out as a rant on the TW site, so maybe a new thread would have been more appriate and would not have provoked some of the responses that you got.
I understand that some people on the forum have had thier toes stepped on (and worse) and have legitimate gripes, but I can't see how you have caused anyone grief by buying an amplifier and sharing some pictures.
I for one am very interested in the technical details such as tube choices, capacitor values etc... My only experience is with the one Express clone that I built with a lot of help from the guys here. As I see it, you are getting a really nice amp built from a lot of the holy grail parts. This should be good thing for TW admirers and with this much attention on your amp, I would imagine that it would have to sound great before it ships.
Mrscratch,
It seems to me that we have two separate threads going here. In all fairness, the thread did start out as a rant on the TW site, so maybe a new thread would have been more appriate and would not have provoked some of the responses that you got.
I understand that some people on the forum have had thier toes stepped on (and worse) and have legitimate gripes, but I can't see how you have caused anyone grief by buying an amplifier and sharing some pictures.
I for one am very interested in the technical details such as tube choices, capacitor values etc... My only experience is with the one Express clone that I built with a lot of help from the guys here. As I see it, you are getting a really nice amp built from a lot of the holy grail parts. This should be good thing for TW admirers and with this much attention on your amp, I would imagine that it would have to sound great before it ships.
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Steffen,
Let me pose a scenario to you.
Let's say your neighbor becomes serious ill, so you bring the family a big pot of soup that you made from scratch as a gesture of good will. However; when you hand the pot over to your neighbors family member, they dump the soup over your head and yell, "We don't need your help! Now go away and never come back.!"
How would that sit with you?
Go back and read Andy's post.
Enjoy your amp.
Let me pose a scenario to you.
Let's say your neighbor becomes serious ill, so you bring the family a big pot of soup that you made from scratch as a gesture of good will. However; when you hand the pot over to your neighbors family member, they dump the soup over your head and yell, "We don't need your help! Now go away and never come back.!"
How would that sit with you?
Go back and read Andy's post.
Enjoy your amp.
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