Dumbleland #009 Pics

[UltraHookedOnPhonix]

Found these on some Japanese site.

1978 Dumbleland Special, Serial 009:

OT is Schumacher unknown type
78-1317
606108

Choke is Triad open type
made 20th week of 1975

PT is what looks like Triad R-25A
made 42nd week of 1968
I've included a couple of Triad datasheets from that
time. See if you guys can figure out which type.

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[talbany]

Ultra.. COOL Shots..

Output transformer looks like and old Hammond..
Someone flip it over..
Tony

[Drumslinger]

most excellent! thanks UHOP!

[Max]

Nice to meet a good old friend (and after all those years still with the same tubes!). It's a pity, that the original knobs have been lost. These have been more to my personal taste.

BTW: AFAIR #009 is a Dumbleland Special for bass, but with very nice guitar tones, too (I've never perceived that much of an important difference in a practical sense between those for bass and those for guitar anyway. But if you should have severe problems to play with an Alembic preamp into a Dynaco Mark VI, better stay away from those for bass!).

Great, great amps the Dumblelands. But you all will remember "Texas Flood" of course, that has been recorded with Jackson Browne's Dumbleland Special:

http://www.songarea.com/mc/3/stevie_ray_vaughan.html

More or less similar tone stacks as in the OD generation from the same time. Seven step filters, with inductor of course, and all the usual Dumbleland stuff. Transformers probably from out of a bass amp on the Woodstock main stage.

For the "original" sound I can recommend one or two of the Dumble 2x12" "folded horn" cabinets with two 12" JBL or Altec speakers (sorry, no picture at hand right now). Awesome! Fasten your third teeth!

Cheers,

Max

[UltraHookedOnPhonix]

Tony, I think that's a Schuie OT. EIA code 606.

Looks like it has the same iron as ODS #121 (ODS150) made for Todd Sharp.

I hear ya, "will somebody please grab a spatula and flip that thing over!"

Max- thanks for the info. These amps remain as elusive as the offspring of a dodo and a unicorn. Wait for it...the Dodocorn

Heck, since there were no gut shots of this amp, might as well post one of Odyssey #0003:

[Max]

Looks like it has the same iron as ODS #121 (ODS150) made for Todd Sharp.

UHOP,

thanks again for the pictures. I did not have the opportunity to take some good ones before it was sold by its owner then a long time ago. So this is really great.

Dumbleland iron:

Yes, same iron as in #121 AFAIR. These are only for bodybuilders (at least that is, what the manufacturer wrote in the "Caution and Beware" part of the manuals of these amps).

Odyssey: Do you know, if this one has an 8 ohm or a 4 ohm OT?

Cheers,

Max

[UltraHookedOnPhonix]

Looks like it has the same iron as ODS #121 (ODS150) made for Todd Sharp.

UHOP,

thanks again for the pictures. I did not have the opportunity to take some good ones before it was sold by its owner then a long time ago. So this is really great.

Dumbleland iron:

Yes, same iron as in #121 AFAIR. These are only for bodybuilders (at least that is, what the manufacturer wrote in the "Caution and Beware" part of the manuals of these amps).

Odyssey: Do you know, if this one has an 8 ohm or a 4 ohm OT?

Cheers,

Max

I'm pretty sure it says 4 ohms on the back here:

[ER]

What's the PI tube on the odyssey?

[Max]

What's the PI tube on the odyssey?

The same as in the Dumbleland (see the pictures of #009).

Here are two pictures of Jackson Browne's Dumbleland that reportedly has been used by SRV to record the "Texas Flood" album:

http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... 64-O-1.jpg

http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/s ... 65-O-1.jpg

"...The truth of the story is that Richard Mullen discovered the Dumble effect when Stevie used the famous "velvet glove" to record Texas Flood at Jackson Browne's studio. It was just sitting in the corner and they plugged it in to see what it sounded like. Richard was so impressed with the amps that he had Alex build an entire array of gear for Chris Geppert aka Christopher Cross who at that time was riding high and had unlimited funds...."

posted here by talbany:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 605#127605

Cheers,

Max

[talbany]

Here is another one.. Not sure of the #..

Tony

[Max]

Here is another one.. Not sure of the #..

Tony

Hi Tony,

it's #020 AFAIR, sounded fanatstic (at least for my ears) and it is the only one with a single showman 8 ohm OT I've seen up to know.

Try two of these in combination with a Dumble ODS (no loop needed, just a preamp out) and a stereo Dumblelator and three cabinets (or two with ODS combo) for a dry only / wet stereo effects setup and you have your back to the eighties ticket. No De Lorean needed.

Cheers,

Max

[talbany]

Here is another one.. Not sure of the #..

Tony

Hi Tony,

it's #020 AFAIR, sounded fanatstic (at least for my ears) and it is the only one with a single showman 8 ohm OT I've seen up to know.

Try two of these in combination with a Dumble ODS (no loop needed, just a preamp out) and a stereo Dumblelator and three cabinets (or two with ODS combo) for a dry only / wet stereo effects setup and you have your back to the eighties ticket. No De Lorean needed.

Cheers,

Max

Max
COOL!!..
Hey with that setup you describe.. ODS pre out into the Odyssey can you put into your own words the different flavor the Odyssey sounded then that of the power amp section of an ODS!!.. Just curious

Thanks!!

Tony

[Max]

Max
COOL!!..
Hey with that setup you describe.. ODS pre out into the Odyssey can you put into your own words the different flavor the Odyssey sounded then that of the power amp section of an ODS!!.. Just curious

Thanks!!

Tony

Tony,

at least I can try. And I want to do it spontanously and personally, as I can't do it in a technical way anyway:

With some simplification you could perhaps think of an Odyssey as a 100W version of the power amp of a Dumbleland. For my ears a Dumbleland in best shape (tubes, filter caps etc.) has the "purest" tone of all Dumble amps. With a Dumbleland you can listen deep into the woods and personality of your guitar and every detail of your left and right hand technique and personal "touch" is presented in the brightest light, but it is a friendly light.

"Velvet glove" is a perfect description for the tone of a Dumbleland. The tone of a Dumbleland is rather "silky" and "soft". They can get very nasty and aggressive too of course, especially if you adjust the filters and EQ switches and the internal gain trim pots of some of these for extreme sounds e. g., but the natural tone of a Dumbleland is pure silk.

If you listen to "Texas Flood" you can perhaps hear this "silkyness" (perhaps at least on the tracks with not that much of tubescreamer distortion) instead of the bit more aggressive and glassy tones of his SSS (Live at Montreux '85 e. g.).

And a Dumble ODS preamp into an Odyssey power amp becomes a bit more "pure", too. It takes the tone a bit more into the Dumbleland direction: A bit less "dirt" and perhaps a bit more "airy" a bit more "soft" and "silky", a bit less "sharp" sounding. Very "silky sweet", even at the brink of saturation.

But, this said, if I had to chose between the clean channel of an ODS into an Odyssey on one side and a Dumbleland on the other side, I would prefer the Dumbleland, as it does this "pure" and "silky" thing with yet more naturalness, less strain and stress and, yes, more "majesty".

The power amp of an ODS sounds to my ears more as an important part of the great "tone generator" I perceive in a Dumble ODS and adds in an important way to the typical tones players are looking for in such a Dumble ODS "tone generator". With an Odyssey you move at least one or two steps into Dumbleland territory.

And I like this territory: After I plug out of a Dumbleland, I always think by myself:

"Come on you fool - who needs all this "OD" and other flashy things. Can't you tell all you want to tell just with a guitar and this unbelievable amp, that displays every detail of your playing in such a beautiful simplicity and friendliness?" and then I answer to myself. "No, not yet, but if one day I perhaps should have better understood how to tell a tale with a guitar - perhaps yes".

So far what right now did come to my mind spontaneously and without much thinking.

Does all this make any sense for you? Questions?

Have a nice Sunday,

Max

[talbany]

Max
No great description..Thanks for taking the time on the write up..

Be well!!

Tony

[Max]

Here’s a ’62 Stratocaster (neck pu) into the "high" input of a Dumbleland Special 150W (and an old and battered Marshall 4 x 12" AFIR) in one of its more soft and gainy modes (not one of its best "soft and gainy" modes, but - sorry - the only take I could find at all). No pedal in front of the Dumbleland. As the "Texas Flood" kind of Dumbleland tones is well known already, I thought that the other end of its "timbre spectrum" could perhaps be of interest for some here.

This short "loose end" take is many years old and I can’t remember the settings in detail. But I still know that both 11(!) step filters have been in their "off" positions; the internal trigger trim pot was adjusted to provide a bit more gain in high settings of the volume control even with all filters "off"; the "Mid-Accent" switch (in cooperation with suitable filter positions this provides a SSS kind of tone), was in its "off" position, too. So this is the amp in "rock" position and without filters and "Mid-Accent". But even with filters "off", the amp stage after the filters and before PI and driver stays in the "signal path" of course. Ambience was added later in the mix. This DL is one without reverb.

Cheers,

Max