What are you using for Reverb w/ a D-later in the loop?

[boldaslove6789]

I've had it with using pedals etc. for reverb w/ my d-lator!!

Its time to get a decent rack reverb/delay!

I've been looking @ the T.C. electronic M300,M350,M-ONE etc.

I might be able to scrape the dough up for a G-major or maybe a
Lexicon MX-200 or MPX

What is everybody using to get Reverb? What are you experiences/thoughts?

I don't want to jump the gun, I'd rather get some ideas 1st.

[Steven_nl]

I'm using a Rocktron Xpression. It has an internal mixer before the A/D converter. So the dry tone stays analog. You mix in the effect. This was you don't need a parallel fx loop or minimix.

I'm not thrilled about he user interface. So ifor me it was a bit of a challange to get the sounds right (multi voice chorus etc). Another thing: I had the feeling the unit produced nasty static pops every now and then. I've read reviews where people had the same observations. haven't had any problems lately so it might have been a tube or something like that.

Greets
Steven

[BobW]

I currently use a reissue Fender Reverb Unit, and after initially finding the best settings, have had good results.

[llemtt]

if you're more into delays than reverb go with an Eventide TimeFactor!!

[scotto]

Rocktron Intellifex for great sounding reverb. They can be had for about $100 on Craigslist. Chandler Digital Echo for Delay. These are hard to find and generally run around $300. Well worth it if you can find one.

[exocet]

I have a Fuchs Verbrator which gives me a Loop plus reverb and I have to say that I like it a lot.
I also have a Rocktron Intellifex but I haven't settled on how best to configure it especially when the Fuchs gives me a choice of making the loop Serial or Parallel. I think that the best way is to run the Intellifex in Parallel loop but then phasing becomes an issue and I haven't quite worked out how to set the Rocktron up to give a 100% Wet only output so that I'm only mixing this back in with the dry signal via the Fuchs return. I may just give up seeing as the Fuchs is so simple and sounds great.

[Structo]

I think that the rack effects are probably superior in quality but I have a Hardwire RV-7 reverb that sounds great in my Dumbleator loop.
The reverb models are by Lexicon and I think it sounds pretty natural.

If money was no object I would probably go with the TC Electronics but since it is, I'll just live with a few pedals in my loop.

[ayan]

I have a Fuchs Verbrator which gives me a Loop plus reverb and I have to say that I like it a lot.
I also have a Rocktron Intellifex but I haven't settled on how best to configure it especially when the Fuchs gives me a choice of making the loop Serial or Parallel. I think that the best way is to run the Intellifex in Parallel loop but then phasing becomes an issue and I haven't quite worked out how to set the Rocktron up to give a 100% Wet only output so that I'm only mixing this back in with the dry signal via the Fuchs return. I may just give up seeing as the Fuchs is so simple and sounds great.

IMNSHO, the Intellifex works best in a serial loop. Part if its forte is that it has a terrific built-in mixer that gives you the option of keeping the original signal analogue. Many other good units A/D your signal right out of the gate, so unless you use a parallel loop, you're SOL because a A/D'd signal will most likely sound like ass when compared to the analogue version of it. To make the Intellifex 100% wet find your way to the MIXER screen and set the L DIR and R DIR levels to - infinity.

Attached is the only patch I have used on my Intellifex in a very long time, like 15 years or so, and which I have shared with quite a few people over time. It is set up to be used in conunction with a CC to toggle chorus, delay or reverb on and off, change delay times, nuke the delay ducking etc. Have been too lazy to carry a MIDI controller to a gig in 10 years... so I use the patch as is. The only thing I will change during soundcheck is the effect level from +4 down according to the room. The input signal needs to be hot enough to drive the Intellifex without hitting the red LEDs. If you set the input signal too low, the ducker settings will make thing sound different than what I intended when I built the patch. If you set it too hot, your FX levels may end up being too low in the mix and if you generate some distortion from the Intellifex itself, your tone will dregrade rapidly.

Cheers,

Gil

[scotto]

thanks for sharing Gil. I'll give it a try tonight.

[boldaslove6789]

Thanks Y'all. My d-lator has a series/parellel switch on it so I'm open to anything. Right now I'm using a Boss dd-6 delay with a low F.Back setting until I can get a more suitable rack reverb.

I also looked @ the Fuchs Good Verberations ( reverb from the Verberator
d-lator/digi verb ) as it will work in a loop. Its $200+ though and I think I'd get some more versatility with a rackmount unit ( Sorry Andy )

I built a fender style tube verb in a rack unit but its noisy and fills 2 spaces.
I also used the EH Holy grail for a bit but it won't work in the D-lator ( gets all muddy etc.)

[Structo]

Greg did you build you serial/ parallel D'lator?
Curious what design you followed for it?

[greiswig]

Thanks Y'all. My d-lator has a series/parellel switch on it so I'm open to anything.

I've got a serial/parallel loop, which I run in parallel mode with an M300 in the loop. I picked up the M300 for $60 used, because one of the jacks needed repair. I cut off the rack ears and it now sits permanently in the bottom of my D'Lite head. Works great!

[boldaslove6789]

nah Tom I didn't build it, Jon Mernyk made it for me. I'll ask him and I'll get back to you on that.

Here's a clip of it with a holy grail in the loop of the d-lator ( just the first minute or so, rest is with a Kleinulator )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWnWDuDN5w

[exocet]

IMNSHO, the Intellifex works best in a serial loop. Part if its forte is that it has a terrific built-in mixer that gives you the option of keeping the original signal analogue. Many other good units A/D your signal right out of the gate, so unless you use a parallel loop, you're SOL because a A/D'd signal will most likely sound like ass when compared to the analogue version of it. To make the Intellifex 100% wet find your way to the MIXER screen and set the L DIR and R DIR levels to - infinity.

Attached is the only patch I have used on my Intellifex in a very long time, like 15 years or so, and which I have shared with quite a few people over time. It is set up to be used in conunction with a CC to toggle chorus, delay or reverb on and off, change delay times, nuke the delay ducking etc. Have been too lazy to carry a MIDI controller to a gig in 10 years... so I use the patch as is. The only thing I will change during soundcheck is the effect level from +4 down according to the room. The input signal needs to be hot enough to drive the Intellifex without hitting the red LEDs. If you set the input signal too low, the ducker settings will make thing sound different than what I intended when I built the patch. If you set it too hot, your FX levels may end up being too low in the mix and if you generate some distortion from the Intellifex itself, your tone will dregrade rapidly.

Cheers,

Gil

Thanks Gil

I'll give your patch a try. I think that you are probably right about series connection - to my mind Parallel 'should' be better but as you say given the topology of the Rocktron, there's probably much to be gained by running it in series. Do you set it for unity gain? If so, what parameters give you this in your experience?

Marc

[ayan]

I'll give your patch a try. I think that you are probably right about series connection - to my mind Parallel 'should' be better but as you say given the topology of the Rocktron, there's probably much to be gained by running it in series. Do you set it for unity gain? If so, what parameters give you this in your experience?

Marc

Marc, I set the parameters on the Intellifex as per the previously attached sheet. I set the input and output level knobs to noon a piece. You will find that my patch is a little hotter than the bypass mode, as I have L DIR and R DIR (dry) at +2 and I never change them. The FX level is at +4 as shown on the sheet, but that goes down depending on the room I play.

On the amp, I like the clean (non HRM Skyliner, 100K plates) set at about noon. I like the Master set at about 1-2 o'clock... and this is using Alpha pots, 15% taper. From there, I hit the Dumbleator as hot as I can so that in clean mode + PAB (the "peakiest" setting) I barely get into ther red zone of the Intellifex. The OD level is set to agree with the clean setting, and the Dumbleator return is my master volume.

I have used the same rig for over ten years, and experiemented a bit early on. Picking different level settings, while preserving the same overall loudness, may may the cathode follower be hit too hard (for my taste), or too softly. Part of the key to my sound I think is to have the amp's master as described, in that the volume control changes its character between 1 and 2 o'clock, where the mids begin to get filled in. Of course having a bright cap in the overall master control (30pF in my amp) plays a role, but the mids filling in phenomenon occurs even without the brightness caps in all of my amps. Your mileage may vary, I happen to like a pretty smooth sound.

Cheers,

Gil