Boycot Arizona

[Bear]

That is the view being portrayed by the politico's and the media.

I seriously doubt the police will pull into the Home Depot parking lot and start rounding them up.
Too much paperwork for little gain (Assuming any of this flies BTW).

Except there's that pesky part of the act that allows troublemakers to sue their local governments if the level of enforcement isn't to their liking. That doesn't lead anywhere good.

[Cygnus X1]

And repeal that one provision that states a child born in the US is automatically a citizen!

Sorry. No can repeal him. Him in Constitution. Muss pass constitutional amen dment.

Yeah, I know.
The Constitution can have some pesky nuances in it
sometimes.

And Bear, I maintain my doubt it will ever be able to get to that point.

[Bear]

Sorry. No can repeal him. Him in Constitution. Muss pass constitutional amen dment.

Yeah, I know.
The Constitution can have some pesky nuances in it
sometimes.

And Bear, I maintain my doubt it will ever be able to get to that point.

We'll hope so. Too damn many cranky people in this world for me to have much hope.

[and the repeal quote is incorrectly attributed to me -- just caught that]

[Cygnus X1]

[and the repeal quote is incorrectly attributed to me -- just caught that]

Don't know how that happened.
Dang 'puters!

[David Root]

The Constitution can have some pesky nuances in it
sometimes.

It sure can, and still does, but it and the Bill of Rights is still the best framework for a free society that has ever been written down and put more or less into practice, in my personal experience and opinion....

Amendment was not intended to be easy, nor should it be, but that is one amendment whose time has come, I think.

Sort of like Presidential elections on the basis of the popular vote, but that's a whole 'nother argument!

[passfan]

The Constitution can have some pesky nuances in it
sometimes.

It sure can, and still does, but it and the Bill of Rights is still the best framework for a free society that has ever been written down and put more or less into practice, in my personal experience and opinion....

Amendment was not intended to be easy, nor should it be, but that is one amendment whose time has come, I think.

Sort of like Presidential elections on the basis of the popular vote, but that's a whole 'nother argument!

What should the requirement be if not by birthright ?

[skyboltone]

Your parents being citizens of the country in which you are born.

And the electoral college vs majority rule I'm afraid David we must agree to disagree. The whole country would be run by folks from the North East.

We have the 10th ammendment that has withered to nothing via the Warren Court and all of them since. Virtually all of environmental law violates the tenth amendment. They use that "For the common good" clause and interstate commerce to basically push states to the bankrupt condition they are in. They are called unfunded mandates.

Falls apparently under the category of don't get me started.

We need more Mexicans. In order for a culture to be sustained the birth rate must be at least 2.2 per women. In the US amongst whites, blacks and Asians the birthrate is 1.7. Adding Hispanics brings it to 2.3. All of Europe (excluding muslems) are at 1.6 and under. Italy is 1.3!! What are all those songs about amore (love) for if you ain't gonna do it?

We don't have too many people. By the way, in muslem countries and communities the birthrate exceeds 8 per woman. Dominance by attrition.

Knock down the damn fence!! Give advantage to Hispanics for immigration. I know I'm the only guy in the country other the George W and John McCain who understand this.

[dr. who]

I feel ya skyboltone. France, Netherlands, England, etc have been noticing this very thing.

[gahult]

OK, Law enforcement....now I have a touch of a rant.

Tax payers money.

In Cadillac, MI there are two lakes..not large as lakes go. But Wexford county sees fit to patrol with a Boston Whaler with twin 250's towed to the lake with a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Could be done less expensively...smaller boat and towed with a standard car. There are only 3/4 launches and a radio would get a squad car to one if you can't catch em on the water. There's now were else to go.

I was watching Speeders on the tube the other night and the cruiser was a damn "Hummer".
Good use of tax revenue there...not to mention gas gassing the pig up. No pun intended.
The same episode had SUV's and other taxpayer abused funding used to pay for the "luxury" of enforcing the law.

I won't even go into the snowmobiles, ORVs, motorcycles, helicopters and others toys they spend our (taxpayers) money on.
A lot more than we working people can hope to afford in today's economy....most any economy for that matter.

Think about the waste the next time you see Hummer with the engine running and air conditioner on with window cracked enough to point the radar gun.

Hell the dog pound feeds the animals and doesn't put them out in a hot tent.
Not to say there aren't some mother rapers, father rapers and litterers...Alice's Restaurant....that don't deserve that but, that sheriff should be tarred, feathered and rode out on a rail.

K, enough. You can see what bugs me.

Later,

Gary

[jaysg]

We don't have too many people. By the way, in muslem countries and communities the birthrate exceeds 8 per woman. Dominance by attrition.

I understand that this is essentially our western economic model. I believe the model is wrong and needs to work for people with flat population growth.

[passfan]

Your parents being citizens of the country in which you are born.



Knock down the damn fence!! Give advantage to Hispanics for immigration. I know I'm the only guy in the country other the George W and John McCain who understand this.

Just one or both ?

[dr. who]

I was watching Speeders on the tube the other night and the cruiser was a damn "Hummer".
Good use of tax revenue there...not to mention gas gassing the pig up. No pun intended.
The same episode had SUV's and other taxpayer abused funding used to pay for the "luxury" of enforcing the law.

Sad thing is that you can thank drug dealers for a lot of that stuff. The local depts can seize the vehicles and use them however they want. Most sell them at auction or trade them to other depts to use them as undercover cars. The funniest thing is the DARE cars. They look for the flashiest ghetto roller and that one is dedicated for DARE program officers. I thought I was going to die laughing when the SE DARE officers conference was held in Athens, Ga a few years ago. They paraded them thru town on the way to the classic center. There must have been 200+ different DARE cars. Some even had hydrolics There was an F-650 truck there too. I think that the police should have to sell seizures and that money should go back to the city, county, or state not the local jurisdiction. Privatized prisons are the biggest crock ever. Those inmates should be on chain gangs forced to take maddocks and shovels to turn fields to grow the turnips, corn, etc for the prison. What the hell ever happened to hard labor?

[briane]

random vehicle stops to check ID: thats against the constitution which gives LEGAL RESIDENTS (and them alone) the right to be free from such interrogation.

Illegal occupation of a country: thats a criminal act, whether its regarded as a refuge act, a military action, or for financial exploitation of the host.

nuff said. You want to be a member of a country then join up and stay a while. You shouldn't get a damn free thing till you join up.

[dartanion]

I am by far and away not utterly against immigration as my ancestors immigrated from Norway not that many generations ago. We moved into where the Sioux were displaced from and damaged the environment pretty significantly. However, in today's USA, we have immigration laws just like any other set of laws. The main issue is that these laws are not enforced. Lots of laws are not enforced though, so this is not much different. Largely, our borders are unprotected. The Canadian border is mostly unguarded. Our Pacific and Atlantic costs are mostly unguarded. Even the Mexican boarded is a vast area of unguarded border. Canadians largely would rather stay in Canada, and I don't blame them. Mexicans on the other hand are trying to escape from the horrors of the drug cartels running the country and to the hope of a better life in the US. Now, if they followed the immigration process to enter the country, great. If not, why should we allow them to stay illegally? Escaping tyranny makes sense, but the numbers are too overwhelming. Here in California, there are a lot of illegals that work their ass off to support their families, as well, their are lots that leach off gov't programs without ever having paid a dime in taxes. The same can be said for many American citizens. Having a broken immigration system just adds to the broken processes that our gov't has not dealt with yet. The sad thing is that we could easily deal with 85% of all "issues" if we could all work together and form rational and logical solutions to these issues. Instead, we have been lied to, cheated, and generally transgressed by our politicians. They would rather have no solution than compromise on their positions. As well, the party pundits whip the masses into a hysterical frenzy over political dogma. Pretty easy to see that with the healthcare bill. There is just no rational explanation to death threats over this bill, but people got caught up in it all, exactly the same type fervor that swept over the country after 911. If the country would have been thinking rationally at the time, do you really believe the USA Patriot Act would have passed congress? Now if the Preamble (almost wrote preamp :LOL:) of our constitution contains the phrases "promote the general welfare" and "provide for the common defense", would you not think that these words hold equivalent value? Or is our constitution worthless?

[skyboltone]

Your parents being citizens of the country in which you are born.



Knock down the damn fence!! Give advantage to Hispanics for immigration. I know I'm the only guy in the country other the George W and John McCain who understand this.

Just one or both ?

I'll split the difference with you. One parent is enough.