selloutrr wrote:Why are the new trainwrecks getting dog'd on without being heard first?
We musicians are a humble lot. When we're not puffing and blustering, that is.
Seems to me we have a bunch of guys who worked very hard to deconstruct the magic and build an entire cottage industry around these things. "Wrecks for everyone! Tha't s a good thing, everyone should have one.
Then we got them who know a buck when they see one. There's only so far knowledge will get you and most musicians will look at you with this blank stare if you explain how it works. Everyone understands hype on some level, that's what advertising is made of. Smear this on yer pits, you'll get chicks. Use this on yer hair, you'll get laid. Take this little pill and when the moment is right you'll be ready!
If we didn't promote this thing and keep it alive there wouldn't be any legend to sell. That's the bottom line right there.
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if you had the chance to play or buy or own a reissue wreck.. you are saying no they suck they are shit.
I have a feeling the estate probably has a lot to due with the timing and release of the new amps. as well as making good on money collected for product that was never shipped.
Personally i don't care which way it goes. it's just another chapter in the story.
What makes this so ironic is that the TW webiste has had a quote there to the effect of ...only Ken built TrainWrecks and everything else is a lame horrid sounding clone. I see that that language has been removed from the "Clones" page of the site. The new language puts an interestingly serious spin on cloning a Wreck. It's great that Mr. J. March can build real Wreck clones, but eveyone else's suck. Get real
Then a few months ago the word got out that new Wrecks would be built on Ken's bench and priced at $10k. $4k is more palatable, but the irony still exists. Are these real Wrecks or lame horrid sounding clones, since Ken had no part of them?
selloutrr wrote:if you had the chance to play or buy or own a reissue wreck.. you are saying no they suck they are shit.
Even though we put this thing on a pedestal it ain't perfect. The originals have that thin chassis. The cabinet is pretty but nothing I'd want to take on the road. The really fun ones are a bitch to get right which is why there are only around 100 real ones out there.
That's really the point right there. There are around 100 real ones. Ken pushed the concept that he was the only one who built real Trainwrecks and the TR hype machine got behind that legend. So be it! There are 100 real ones and there ain't gonna be any more.
For $4k I'd rather buy a matchless Or boogie mark I and a lap dance. Or buy clone parts in bulk and make 6 amps.
I see where you are coming from though I was just shocked by how jelious or hater people were without a listen. The tw camp did pretty much pull a shitty that was shitty of them. Though we are a serious threat. Knowledge skill and truth.
Damn college girls are hot, well most of them, errr some of them.. Well that one is! Taking an ear break. Somedays are just a brutal skull fuck of noise. A kind note to all drummers.. Play to a click track. Benny that means you!
selloutrr wrote:I see where you are coming from though I was just shocked by how jelious or hater people were without a listen. The tw camp did pretty much pull a shitty that was shitty of them. Though we are a serious threat. Knowledge skill and truth.
C'mon. Serious threat to what?!
Even at $4k a pop it's still a labor intensive cottage industry. There are only so many amps a labor intensive cottage industry is gonna kick out, then you divide that number into a shitty economy. So maybe we look at it like we're cutting up an ever smaller pie. Or maybe we bake more pies.
There are going to be people who pay $4k a pop for the "real thing", they've been waiting for it. Then there are those who are gonna diss a $4k amp because it's a $4k amp. What's the difference? A grand for an amp? Four grand for an amp? Thirty-five grand for an amp? Two of those numbers are out of reach for most musicians. It doesn't matter how much they're out of reach, out of reach is out of reach.
I wonder how much of the hard fought research that everyone did here from Allyn and HeeBeeGB on down that has been captured in the files section was used by this clown to figure out to even start?
Is is also true that Ken never used a Heyboer? I thought there was a line card of his on record there...
Well... don't kick shit. Like I said, it's a labor intensive cottage industry. They're gonna hafta work their asses off even with rights to the brand. Best of luck to 'em.
It is kind of strange that this mysterious JM guy is now making reissues.
This after Ken was quoted as saying, I've tried to teach family and friends how to build them but they never get them right (paraphrased).
So now all of a sudden this guy can build them and since he uses Kens shop, tools and tube stash, they are official Trainwrecks?
Oh well, more power to them. It's a shame we lost the caliber of builder that Ken was. Maybe if he would have profited from the type of money these sell for now it would have made a difference. We'll never know.
Everyone wants to be in the amp business !!!!!! It's already an over saturated market. The reason why most amps made are $4000 are for two reasons, That would be overhead or greed.Many of these high dollar amps even use "cheap parts" that really don't cost that much. Take the time a builder spends to complete the amp he is still marking up the parts he uses. Before you know it the amp cost $ 4000 or more.
You want to make money at it and offer your amp at a reasonable price Charge a flat fee for you labor on top of you cost and everyone wins.
Just my opinion, I have seen bean counters just drive too many things into the ground. Don't rely on your profit margin to keep your buisness going but your ability the sell enough amps which is in the builders hands.
If you are good at what you do and your amp is everything it should be, it is easy.
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ckpop wrote:You want to make money at it and offer your amp at a reasonable price Charge a flat fee for you labor on top of you cost and everyone wins.
There's more to it than that.
Either there's a whole shitload of labor in these (there is) or
We divide how much we need to pay the rent and keep the lights on by how many we can sell.
Thats what I mean !!!! In this market you are better off not Just making a living on amps alone. Why pass on the cost of your light bill and overhead on to others if you don't have to. I can produce a much better product for a better price without the overhead. Thats what these start up companies have to deal with, the smaller guy in a oversaturated market.
I'm not charging less for the amp, I just don't have to charge as much.
Steady work always comes out on top instead of trying to sell one high dollar amp
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The cost of some of these amps nowdays they should offer display cases to put them in instead of road cases. Many think pro players have tons of money, Yes some do but most are cheap LOL !!!!! $4K for an amp to be realistic they would pass on spending that much.
