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Siaip Ciuvas
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Trannies/choke advice

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Hi great people of fantastic board!

I kinda feel that I know pretty much all usual suspects here, as was reading this forum for a while, but you didn't see me posting, so I started correcting myself step by step :)

As I am approaching my JTM45 build pretty soon, I stumbled on Magnetic Components trannies, which are touted to be good quality and not a lot of money. Due to the fact that anyway after I will do JTM45, ODS clone will be imminent, and I live in Europe, I plan to order trannies for both amps, as shipment is flat fee for both qtys, so why pay extra and take extra time with customs...

I feel a bit lost with this amp, as amount of info is overwhelming for the moment, so I'd like to ask favor from you guys - will theese trannies do for #124 build?

This one will go for the output: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Style-100W- ... 3ef89c75e8


This one will go for power: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Style-Power ... 3ef7a0b8f4

And thats the choke: http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Style-Choke ... 3efaa4373e

any advice will be highly appreciated!

Thanks in advance! :)
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Yes a lot of guys use the Fender trannies for the ODS amps.

Magnetic Components are good quality trannies.
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Siaip

Welcome to the board... Those tranny's look fine to me.. One thing about the Marshall PT as I assume it is a drop in replacement for Marshall.. If you do full wave bridge which I am pretty sure you need to do with those transformers that will give you a little more voltage on the plates than your standard Twin fender replacement.. About 30 more volt's.. The tone difference will be that the amp will be a bit brighter and less of the browner type tone.. Nothing wrong with it just be aware..Those full wave bridge Marshall powers are nice and quiet but can also cause the transformer to run warm so keep an eye on it when you first flip it on especially with the fresh caps..Also if your plate caps are rated at 500v and you have the Stby wired like 124 (Stby after Plates) without tubes in it no load could put you over the 500v mark or if you run it with the stby on can also cause you to excced the 500v max.. I would double up on your plate caps just to be safe.. Good Luck on the Build..

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talbany wrote:Siaip

Welcome to the board... Those tranny's look fine to me.. One thing about the Marshall PT as I assume it is a drop in replacement for Marshall.. If you do full wave bridge which I am pretty sure you need to do with those transformers that will give you a little more voltage on the plates than your standard Twin fender replacement.. About 30 more volt's.. The tone difference will be that the amp will be a bit brighter and less of the browner type tone.. Nothing wrong with it just be aware..Those full wave bridge Marshall powers are nice and quiet but can also cause the transformer to run warm so keep an eye on it when you first flip it on especially with the fresh caps..Also if your plate caps are rated at 500v and you have the Stby wired like 124 (Stby after Plates) without tubes in it no load could put you over the 500v mark or if you run it with the stby on can also cause you to excced the 500v max.. I would double up on your plate caps just to be safe.. Good Luck on the Build..

Tony
+1. B+ in one amp I did was about 500V on the plates. The TAD 6L6GC STR should handle that.

Have fun!

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talbany wrote:Siaip

more voltage on the plates than your standard Twin fender replacement.. About 30 more volt's.. The tone difference will be that the amp will be a bit brighter and less of the browner type tone.
Tony
A lot of what I build run 500volt plates and I've never noticed a brightness increase as long as you tailor the dropping string so all the other voltages are in line (300V PI, 200v V2 etc.)
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heisthl wrote:
talbany wrote:Siaip

more voltage on the plates than your standard Twin fender replacement.. About 30 more volt's.. The tone difference will be that the amp will be a bit brighter and less of the browner type tone.
Tony
A lot of what I build run 500volt plates and I've never noticed a brightness increase as long as you tailor the dropping string so all the other voltages are in line (300V PI, 200v V2 etc.)
I can hear a big time difference with the extra 50 on the plates!! All preamp voltages being equal!!

T
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talbany wrote:
I can hear a big time difference with the extra 50 on the plates!! All preamp voltages being equal!!

T
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Thanks everyone for the input! The reason I stick to Marshall PT is that they don't have international voltage Fender PT... And thanks for the advice on the differences, I will let you know how it all went in the course of the next 6 months :)
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I use Trafo Fender for my D-clone and I always go well , good quality and sufficient voltage .
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If you have two 300uf 500v caps wired in series, doesn't that make it a 1000v cap to the power supply?
You get 150uf @ 1000v?
Or do the balancing resistors keep that from being a 1000v filter?

I thought when you had them in series it added the voltage rating.

So that should be safe from any overvoltage situation, right?
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Structo wrote:If you have two 300uf 500v caps wired in series, doesn't that make it a 1000v cap to the power supply?
You get 150uf @ 1000v?
Or do the balancing resistors keep that from being a 1000v filter?

I thought when you had them in series it added the voltage rating.

So that should be safe from any overvoltage situation, right?
Tom

That's right... 2 caps in series doubles the voltage capacity.. But halves the capacitance value between the 2...ie 2 X 100uf 500v in series gives you 50uf at 1000v... The balancing resistors just helps balance the voltage between the 2 as well as sets up the RC time constant...

Voltage balancing resistors
Ideally when capacitors are placed in series the voltage across each capacitor should be distributed evenly across the capacitors. This does not always occur as intended due to the variations in the leakage currents of the capacitors. The variations in leakage current can lead to some of the capacitors having voltages across them that could exceed their voltage ratings. Exceeding the voltage ratings of a capacitor will compromise the reliability of the capacitor and could have other severe and dangerous consequences. It is therefore important that this situation be avoided in any application. This is particularly important where high voltage electrolytic capacitors are used.
One way to overcome any potential voltage imbalance is to have capacitors with capacitance values within 5% of each other. This would help minimize the voltage imbalance from occurring without needing to have balancing resistors.
Electrolytic capacitors however cannot be easily supplied with tolerances less than 10%. For these types of capacitors balancing resistors should be utilized.
The value of the balancing resistor can be approximated by the following formula:
R= 10/C
where
C= Capacitance in uF.
R= Resistance in mega-ohms.
To calculate the Balancing resistor value more accurately do the following:
1. Determine the leakage current of the capacitor.
2. Calculate the DC resistance value of the capacitor using the formula
3. Balancing resistor value will be 10% of the calculated DC resistance value.
RDC= Rated voltage
Leakage current
4. Balancing resistor wattage rating is calculated by determining the amount of current flowing through the balancing resistor multiplied by the voltage across the resistor.
When a series- parallel combination is utilized it is recommended that each capacitor have a balancing resistor placed across it.
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Hey Tony,
Thanks for typing that all out.
I am building quite a folder with all the things you have given me in regards to amps. :D
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