Stillearning.
From my own viewpoint i would'nt say the amp is a fake. At the same time i have no way of knowing if it was legitimately built or modded by Dumble either.
You're on here saying that you have played the amp in question personally, and that it is a legitimate Dumble build. I can respect that. Others such as Gary (Glasman) say they have confirmation from Dumble that the amp is a fake. Or Scott claiming that the dressing does not look like something HAD produced. I can respect that too.
Now, I don't know you and i don't know Gary, Scott, or anyone else on this forum personally other than posts here or private messages.
The point i was making is that I can't fully accept that your claim of the amp being authentic is factual based solely on your word. Just as i can't fully accept other claims made here that the amp is a fake. So that still leaves a big (?) in my mind. The only fact, from a potential buyers standpoint, viewing that auction, is that it is a modded Deluxe.
If it's the greatest sound you've ever heard then great, mabe it's worth whatever you're offer is. And if it turns out that it was NOT modded or built by Dumble then it only goes to prove that there are other builders, other than Dumble, that can produce amps that sound just as good or better. Gotta give Dumble at least credit for the creativity for some of the best sounding amps or even the Dumble inspired amps that some builders here have added there own creativity or twists too.
Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
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Re: Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
I have only ever tried one Dumble ODS amp. I have never seen or tried a Dumble modded Fender amp in person but i would agree, there should be some kind of sticker or something proving that it was modded by Dumble such as his Ultra phonix mods etc.Southbay Ampworks wrote:I know a doctor in Arkansas who has one of these. HAD was finishing it up in August 2005. Typically when Dumble mods an amp it has the "official" blue paper tag put inside of it that Dumble sends the amp out with when he's done...if he did it.Structo wrote:From the tone I would say that HAD built it.
But, you have to be wary these days since the D amps command such a high price, there will be people tempted to make forgeries.
Re: Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
Stilllearning
Actually, I'd say you're the one that's come in here with the aggressive attitude.
The guy selling it has claimed that it's a Dumble and yet has offered no corroborating evidence to support this claim, which is why eBay had his ad pulled when HAD complained.
If he had the corroborating evidence and demonstrated in the ad that it was genuinely a Dumble then HAD couldn't have had it pulled for violating his trademark and it would have run as other Dumble adverts have.
Now he's trying to imply that it's a Dumble without reference to the trademark, so he's clearly trying to sell the amp as a Dumble.
That's the key thing. If he was selling it just as a modified Fender then people would say that's a great sounding amp and should jump all over it. It is a great sounding amp.
However, HAD has said it isn't one of his, which is why the auction got pulled. If someone buys that at Dumble money and then discovers it isn't what it was billed as then it doesn't matter how great it sounds, they've still been conned.
That's why people are claiming fake, because this appears to be an attempt to sell somebody else's work as HADs, which would be a fake.
This amp was also built after the ODS was in production so the concept of it being a prototype is also potentially flawed. That's why there were enough red flags raised to seek an appraisal by HAD himself.
Quite why this has you so bothered I don't know. If you're sure it's a Dumble then have the guy produce some method of authenticating it before you buy it to protect your investment, or have him post it in the advert proudly bearing the Dumble name if you think HAD is lying. That's what it comes down to. Is the builder lying, or is the owner scamming?
Actually, I'd say you're the one that's come in here with the aggressive attitude.
The guy selling it has claimed that it's a Dumble and yet has offered no corroborating evidence to support this claim, which is why eBay had his ad pulled when HAD complained.
If he had the corroborating evidence and demonstrated in the ad that it was genuinely a Dumble then HAD couldn't have had it pulled for violating his trademark and it would have run as other Dumble adverts have.
Now he's trying to imply that it's a Dumble without reference to the trademark, so he's clearly trying to sell the amp as a Dumble.
That's the key thing. If he was selling it just as a modified Fender then people would say that's a great sounding amp and should jump all over it. It is a great sounding amp.
However, HAD has said it isn't one of his, which is why the auction got pulled. If someone buys that at Dumble money and then discovers it isn't what it was billed as then it doesn't matter how great it sounds, they've still been conned.
That's why people are claiming fake, because this appears to be an attempt to sell somebody else's work as HADs, which would be a fake.
This amp was also built after the ODS was in production so the concept of it being a prototype is also potentially flawed. That's why there were enough red flags raised to seek an appraisal by HAD himself.
Quite why this has you so bothered I don't know. If you're sure it's a Dumble then have the guy produce some method of authenticating it before you buy it to protect your investment, or have him post it in the advert proudly bearing the Dumble name if you think HAD is lying. That's what it comes down to. Is the builder lying, or is the owner scamming?
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Re: Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
stilllearning,
It doesn't make any difference whether HAD made this amp or not, without provenance and HAD unwilling to put his name to it the value must surely be affected. (Both good bargaining points if you hope to buy it.
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One thing worth considering when you question the word of the experienced members here is that this entire forum studies in great detail, the art and design of well documented genuine HAD amps and when one comes along that does not tick the boxes, red flags have to go up. For example, the wiring inside that amp looks like a birds nest. HAD may have many traits that are interesting, one of which was his obsessive attention to detail. He'd be spitting feathers if he'd let an amp out of his workshop looking like that!
I would also have to add that even though you have played the amp and believe it to be original, that is surely not irrefutable evidence as to its authenticity. Not all of the amazing soundind amps I have played can be attributed to HAD and vice-versa.
Finally, I don't believe that briane meant that you were a sucker, simply that there are many individauls that make it a way of life to catch out unsuspecting individuals that know something about there intended purchase but sometimes not quite enough to avoid being stung and ebay is the perfect forum for them to operate. I know, it has happened to me!
Best of luck with your offer on ebay, it sounds as though 20k is small change to someone of your success and playing ability, so I can't imagine that you'll be worried if it is genuine or not, if the sound does it for you.
Cheers,
Paul.
It doesn't make any difference whether HAD made this amp or not, without provenance and HAD unwilling to put his name to it the value must surely be affected. (Both good bargaining points if you hope to buy it.
)One thing worth considering when you question the word of the experienced members here is that this entire forum studies in great detail, the art and design of well documented genuine HAD amps and when one comes along that does not tick the boxes, red flags have to go up. For example, the wiring inside that amp looks like a birds nest. HAD may have many traits that are interesting, one of which was his obsessive attention to detail. He'd be spitting feathers if he'd let an amp out of his workshop looking like that!
I would also have to add that even though you have played the amp and believe it to be original, that is surely not irrefutable evidence as to its authenticity. Not all of the amazing soundind amps I have played can be attributed to HAD and vice-versa.
Finally, I don't believe that briane meant that you were a sucker, simply that there are many individauls that make it a way of life to catch out unsuspecting individuals that know something about there intended purchase but sometimes not quite enough to avoid being stung and ebay is the perfect forum for them to operate. I know, it has happened to me!
Best of luck with your offer on ebay, it sounds as though 20k is small change to someone of your success and playing ability, so I can't imagine that you'll be worried if it is genuine or not, if the sound does it for you.
Cheers,
Paul.
Re: Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
interesting...considering I am probably one of the least aggressive people you will ever meet. Funny your are the one attacking people in the face of irreputable evidence.
No your not a sucker, but if HAD did not build it, which we now know is true, then is it really worth that much money? Maybe to some. Ive seen plenty of fakes touted real, and plenty spend far more on something than they need to. Some people just have too much money to care. Youll never get it back in resell, since theres no documentation.
Interesting you dont have the technical knowledge to go into an amp, but playing to 20k fans qualifies you as a dumble tech. You cannot guess an amps provinance via tone, theres a lot of great builders out there.
One can only surmise you own this amp, and are challenging this refutation, in spite of your earlier posts. Is that a troll?
Anyways, work with one of us and I am sure we can nail your holy grail tone for a whole lot less bucks. After all its just resistors, caps, and a great deal of experience.
No your not a sucker, but if HAD did not build it, which we now know is true, then is it really worth that much money? Maybe to some. Ive seen plenty of fakes touted real, and plenty spend far more on something than they need to. Some people just have too much money to care. Youll never get it back in resell, since theres no documentation.
Interesting you dont have the technical knowledge to go into an amp, but playing to 20k fans qualifies you as a dumble tech. You cannot guess an amps provinance via tone, theres a lot of great builders out there.
One can only surmise you own this amp, and are challenging this refutation, in spite of your earlier posts. Is that a troll?
Anyways, work with one of us and I am sure we can nail your holy grail tone for a whole lot less bucks. After all its just resistors, caps, and a great deal of experience.
it really is a journey, and you just cant farm out the battle wounds
Re: Dumble Overdrive Deluxe?
Buh bye Stillearning.
I hope you are still learning.
It would be a shame for you to think you are the smartest being that ever walked the earth.
No matter how many people you have played in front of, how many ODS amps you have owned or played, this is a forum dedicated to the amps built by a mysterious and innovative man.
And we love them and don't take fraud lightly.
I hope you are still learning.
It would be a shame for you to think you are the smartest being that ever walked the earth.
No matter how many people you have played in front of, how many ODS amps you have owned or played, this is a forum dedicated to the amps built by a mysterious and innovative man.
And we love them and don't take fraud lightly.
Tom
Don't let that smoke out!
Don't let that smoke out!