Hi Scott
I tried a 12AX7 on V1 the first day and kept it there.
So how clean is the clean channel?
Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
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Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Johan,
I hope you will get answers from more people, but as I think I've already told you, my impression before I tweaked the clean "channel" to be "absolutelly" clean, was that the sound of it, when ovedriven, was more Robben Ford like than the Ovedrive channel. At least if you think "Handfull of Blues" (my ipmression is that "Talk To Your Daughter" has more of the sound of the overdrive channel on your D'Lite).
Guess that we shall try what you like the sound when we go back to a more Dumble conventional voltage dropping string, and also put a FET resistor back... All per Dogears' suggestions...
With a "more Dumble conventional voltage dropping string" I still mean the voltages and the construction of the string. NOT the resistor values... But maybe I will have to give up my ideas there also...
Maybe you should start a new thread about your question about the Robben Ford tone.
I hope you will get answers from more people, but as I think I've already told you, my impression before I tweaked the clean "channel" to be "absolutelly" clean, was that the sound of it, when ovedriven, was more Robben Ford like than the Ovedrive channel. At least if you think "Handfull of Blues" (my ipmression is that "Talk To Your Daughter" has more of the sound of the overdrive channel on your D'Lite).
Guess that we shall try what you like the sound when we go back to a more Dumble conventional voltage dropping string, and also put a FET resistor back... All per Dogears' suggestions...
With a "more Dumble conventional voltage dropping string" I still mean the voltages and the construction of the string. NOT the resistor values... But maybe I will have to give up my ideas there also...
Maybe you should start a new thread about your question about the Robben Ford tone.
Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
SJ, I'll play some more and email you tonight.
I think we'll sort this out and that we're on to something.
If you make the first stage a bit - warmer, looser, dirtier - I think I'll like both the clean and dirty more. Now, the gain channel is kinda bright, thin/buzzy and lacks some "power". Plus, you really have to dime the gain stage to get some serious dirt.
With more "clean gain" from the first stage I think we'll bring more life to the lead as well.
Again, How clean is the clean channel on your DLite or ODS??
I think we'll sort this out and that we're on to something.
If you make the first stage a bit - warmer, looser, dirtier - I think I'll like both the clean and dirty more. Now, the gain channel is kinda bright, thin/buzzy and lacks some "power". Plus, you really have to dime the gain stage to get some serious dirt.
With more "clean gain" from the first stage I think we'll bring more life to the lead as well.
Again, How clean is the clean channel on your DLite or ODS??
Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Yesterday I did a little experimentation.
Just by changing the choke value to 330, it put my preamp voltages just about where I want them.
Haven't changed the FET R (yet).
I changed the PI plates to 120K/ 110K and it is right around 300v.
I also changed the power grids to 3K3 and the screens to 470R. (6L6)
Put the 330 treble cap in and changed the V1a bypass to 4.7uf.
What would changing the NFB series resistor to 4.7K from 6K2 give tone wise?
Just by changing the choke value to 330, it put my preamp voltages just about where I want them.
Haven't changed the FET R (yet).
I changed the PI plates to 120K/ 110K and it is right around 300v.
I also changed the power grids to 3K3 and the screens to 470R. (6L6)
Put the 330 treble cap in and changed the V1a bypass to 4.7uf.
What would changing the NFB series resistor to 4.7K from 6K2 give tone wise?
Tom
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Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Johan,
You should be able to stay fairly clean up to 1 o'clock on your input volume. That has been my experience with my D'Lite and other flavors.
Dave
You should be able to stay fairly clean up to 1 o'clock on your input volume. That has been my experience with my D'Lite and other flavors.
Dave
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Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
My D'Lite 44 - completely unmodified (no dogears changes yet), using a Tele with normal single-coils, stays competely clean at all settings of the volume control.
In other words, with OD off, max volume, very low master, it's still very clean, even if I pound on my Tele.
I was a little surprised by the original post, and all the hoops he jumped through to get it clean. Maybe it's just caused by really hot pickups, but something doesn't sound right to me.
In other words, with OD off, max volume, very low master, it's still very clean, even if I pound on my Tele.
I was a little surprised by the original post, and all the hoops he jumped through to get it clean. Maybe it's just caused by really hot pickups, but something doesn't sound right to me.
Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Yes I agree, my D44 is pretty clean until the volume and master are way up there. Strats and tele's here.
Tom
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Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Please excuse that I repeat myself AGAIN!
The distortion that in my ears where ugly, that this thread from the beginning is all about, occurred in the FIRST gain stage, BEFORE the preamp Volume control. The settings on the preamp volume had no affect at all on THAT distortion. It seams that many of you haven't understood that.
BUT, as I’ve also mentioned earlier, that was mainly with a guitar that has high output pickups, has 013-017-022-...strings, and that I play HARD.
For Johan a more Dumble or Dogears voltage dropping string (and/or voltages) may be much better than it is now. We will try that.
The distortion that in my ears where ugly, that this thread from the beginning is all about, occurred in the FIRST gain stage, BEFORE the preamp Volume control. The settings on the preamp volume had no affect at all on THAT distortion. It seams that many of you haven't understood that.
BUT, as I’ve also mentioned earlier, that was mainly with a guitar that has high output pickups, has 013-017-022-...strings, and that I play HARD.
For Johan a more Dumble or Dogears voltage dropping string (and/or voltages) may be much better than it is now. We will try that.
Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Sorry if you have to repeat yourself here more than once....
Many of us peruse a lot of threads in the course of the day so if we forget some things that you have stated in a four page thread please forgive us.
I think that what many of us that own the D'lite version of amp are simply stating is that, we haven't experienced what you describe as distortion in the clean mode.
Many of us peruse a lot of threads in the course of the day so if we forget some things that you have stated in a four page thread please forgive us.
I think that what many of us that own the D'lite version of amp are simply stating is that, we haven't experienced what you describe as distortion in the clean mode.
Tom
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Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Yes, I get that. If you're 100% certain (it sounds like you are) that the distortion is occuring in V1a, then you might want to pad the input, or change the plate voltage and/or bias and/or load resistance of V1a to handle a larger input signal. I saw way too many recommendations in this thread for changes all over the amp... when the specific solution might just be a pad like the #2 inputs on a Fender amp.Svempan wrote:Please excuse that I repeat myself AGAIN!
The distortion that in my ears where ugly, that this thread from the beginning is all about, occurred in the FIRST gain stage, BEFORE the preamp Volume control. The settings on the preamp volume had no affect at all on THAT distortion. It seams that many of you haven't understood that.
BUT, as I’ve also mentioned earlier, that was mainly with a guitar that has high output pickups, has 013-017-022-...strings, and that I play HARD.
For Johan a more Dumble or Dogears voltage dropping string (and/or voltages) may be much better than it is now. We will try that.
Re: Question about newly finished D-Lite. FIXED... or?
Don't misunderstand me. I REALLY appreciate your opinions! 
Maybe I first tried the amp under the wrong circumstances (high output pickups, heavy strings and hard playing)! The first thing I probably will do is to go back to B+ voltages that is more Dumble or Dogears like.
When Johan then is playing it might be just fine and may suit him perfectly... I hope so...
By the way. When the amp had the 1k – 22k – 2.2k string plus a FET simulator resistor I really liked the overdriven sound on the clean channel. Finding the right voltage dropping string may make the amp sound just as Johan wants it, and has described above.
Maybe I first tried the amp under the wrong circumstances (high output pickups, heavy strings and hard playing)! The first thing I probably will do is to go back to B+ voltages that is more Dumble or Dogears like.
When Johan then is playing it might be just fine and may suit him perfectly... I hope so...
By the way. When the amp had the 1k – 22k – 2.2k string plus a FET simulator resistor I really liked the overdriven sound on the clean channel. Finding the right voltage dropping string may make the amp sound just as Johan wants it, and has described above.