Here we go again Low Plate Classic

[talbany]

Lovely build Tony.

how do you get your heater wires so straight?




M

Marcus here is what I do. Get a length of 2 wires. Put one end in a vice and the other in my cordless drill chuck and twist. The wire gets straight as an arrow and twists uniformly. I do the same with my ground buss on the preamp straightens it right out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-QF-WRFjQ

Tony

[norburybrook]

Lovely build Tony.

how do you get your heater wires so straight?




M

Marcus here is what I do. Get a length of 2 wires. Put one end in a vice and the other in my cordless drill chuck and twist. The wire gets straight as an arrow and twists uniformly. I do the same with my ground buss on the preamp straightens it right out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-QF-WRFjQ

Tony

Tony, I do the same but wiring on the tubes it never stays as in line as your


M

[talbany]

Cool! Just finished the smoke test and apart from forgetting to run a wire over to the screen supply everything came up without issue no smoke A few things I notice straight away is this one has a bit more gain and is pretty lively, much in the way how Gill describes 124! At first I thought I might have forgotten to hook up the GNFB and after double checking everything it's all wired correctly and the voltages are spot on! V1=200/205 V2=210/211 PI is 285/291 plates are sitting dead on 450
Apart from the amp having a touch more gain it has plenty of low end with the Bass knob set @ 3. Its full but not too boomey and it's still tight. However, the jury is still out on that and I may have to replace the 25's on V1 down to 10uF. I am a bit surprised that it's not too bass heavy in OD. I need to go through the collection, I am afraid the humbuckers might get muddy (Sounds gret w/ Tele!!). The bright cap on the master landed me @ 47pF was about perfect without the lator. The transition from clean to OD was transparent and as I would expect has plenty of gain almost too much so will have to see how it does with the lator. Other than that it has the Classic "Classic stack"ODS sound. I didn't use the 716 on the mid cap on this one so it's scooped in the mids and the OD is creamy and brown sounding (almost Tweed like) It seems to like the Chinese 12AX7's in V1 and V2 and a long plate LPS in the PI. The clean side is very AB763 like (Especially with the Deep on") Tomorrow I'll load up the Black Plates take a few shots and do the Demo. Curious to hear what you guy's think!.. Lookin forward to ringing it out

Tony

[norburybrook]

congrats on another build

I was with a UK guitarist last night who made my ever expanding amp collection seem tiny he had 120 amps!!!!!! interestingly he was playing a Kelly last night, I' ve never seen or heard one in the flesh so was interesting to hear see.

so my point? we've a long way to go.


M

p.s Eric phoned in sick...his wife say's hi though

[10thTx]

Tomorrow I'll load up the Black Plates take a few shots and do the Demo. Curious to hear what you guy's think!.. Lookin forward to ringing it out

Great! Look forward to hearing it! With respect, 10thx

[stelligan]

Subscribed. Look forward to hearing this thing. Congrats!

[10thTx]

Tomorrow I'll load up the Black Plates take a few shots and do the Demo. Curious to hear what you guy's think!.. Lookin forward to ringing it out

Still looking forward to the sound clip! With respect, 10thtx

[rootz]

Yeah even a compressed Youtube vid would fulfil my needs for fresh sounds now Tony!

[talbany]

Gottcha I made one yesterday and the sound quality was pretty awful. Wife has been killin me since will try again tomorrow. Amp does sound good though am pretty pleased so far. Will also do the R/J Demo and deep as well. Sorry for the delay.

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[norburybrook]

that's a lovely looking build looks like I do the bus bar just like you. I use the solid core ground from UK mains wiring and bend into an 'L' shape which fits nicely into the hole in a ground tag.

getting a faithful recording of the amp can be difficult at times. I've got recordings that sound great that I can't replicate in the room!!! My 2nd gen sounds like shit sometimes in the room but I've a couple of recordings where it sounds amazing, even with the same setting matched it doesn't sound like that. Drives me mad how sound changes day to day even in the same room.

I'm glad your wife is involved in this process


M

[martin manning]

getting a faithful recording of the amp can be difficult at times. I've got recordings that sound great that I can't replicate in the room!!! My 2nd gen sounds like shit sometimes in the room but I've a couple of recordings where it sounds amazing, even with the same setting matched it doesn't sound like that. Drives me mad how sound changes day to day even in the same room.

This is disturbing. If results are generally not repeatable, how can one possibly fine-tune with component selections etc.? At least it says you have to listen over multiple sessions (days) to make a decision to choose one part over another, and any given recording might not be of any value in judging the sound. Why does this happen? is it physical or mental?

[Bombacaototal]

I found that mains voltage fluctuate a lot and that HAD amps are very sensitive to voltages. I therefore got an EUROVOLT (EU brown box), and have since been able to have consistency in the amps, given I can always regulate the incoming mains voltage. Makes it much easier for tweaking...

[norburybrook]

getting a faithful recording of the amp can be difficult at times. I've got recordings that sound great that I can't replicate in the room!!! My 2nd gen sounds like shit sometimes in the room but I've a couple of recordings where it sounds amazing, even with the same setting matched it doesn't sound like that. Drives me mad how sound changes day to day even in the same room.

This is disturbing. If results are generally not repeatable, how can one possibly fine-tune with component selections etc.? At least it says you have to listen over multiple sessions (days) to make a decision to choose one part over another, and any given recording might not be of any value in judging the sound. Why does this happen? is it physical or mental?

that's exactly why I struggle with the whole component thing in general. A good example recently with Alan Darby. I've helped him set up his rig meticulously to the point of obsession. I know exactly how it sounds in his large house. I went to the gig the other night and it sounded completely different in a club on stage, it was suddenly a bit harsh and seemed to have more gain???? nothing had changed except the sound was now in with a band rather than solo. So another guitarist, bass player, drums and keyboards all making the air move in the same space. Some frequencies get boosted some cut, there's various phase things going on, reflections, absorption all going to throw what 'your' particular rig sounds like in that moment. with components all you can do is listen in isolation and make your choice based at that particular moment, whether that means it's the right choice 2 days later in a session or on a gig is a different matter and I suppose you can then come home and change again to remedy this...however you could end up going mad here and changing every week .......therein lies madness though IMHO

Even in the studio , a controlled environment, I have experienced the sound of an amp changing on various days or with various songs. Song key will make a difference sometimes. I know when I Mixing projects sometimes a track will just mix itself almost and another track from the same band with the same instruments will be a struggle as things aren't gelling well frequency wise.

most people listen to their rig in isolation and get a sound they like, I can guarantee on a recording the mix engineer will be cutting most of the low end from a guitar and if you solo'd it it would sound thin and not that pleasing but it will fit in the track nicely. Same thing live, if you have a bass player and keyboards you don't want a lot of low end from a guitar, it takes up too much of the frequency range.

solo guitar is a different matter you can have any sound you like

have a listen to to Ted Greene's solo album...massive guitar sound , stunning playing too.


M

[erwin_ve]

getting a faithful recording of the amp can be difficult at times. I've got recordings that sound great that I can't replicate in the room!!! My 2nd gen sounds like shit sometimes in the room but I've a couple of recordings where it sounds amazing, even with the same setting matched it doesn't sound like that. Drives me mad how sound changes day to day even in the same room.

This is disturbing. If results are generally not repeatable, how can one possibly fine-tune with component selections etc.? At least it says you have to listen over multiple sessions (days) to make a decision to choose one part over another, and any given recording might not be of any value in judging the sound. Why does this happen? is it physical or mental?

that's exactly why I struggle with the whole component thing in general. A good example recently with Alan Darby. I've helped him set up his rig meticulously to the point of obsession. I know exactly how it sounds in his large house. I went to the gig the other night and it sounded completely different in a club on stage, it was suddenly a bit harsh and seemed to have more gain???? nothing had changed except the sound was now in with a band rather than solo. So another guitarist, bass player, drums and keyboards all making the air move in the same space. Some frequencies get boosted some cut, there's various phase things going on, reflections, absorption all going to throw what 'your' particular rig sounds like in that moment. with components all you can do is listen in isolation and make your choice based at that particular moment, whether that means it's the right choice 2 days later in a session or on a gig is a different matter and I suppose you can then come home and change again to remedy this...however you could end up going mad here and changing every week .......therein lies madness though IMHO

Even in the studio , a controlled environment, I have experienced the sound of an amp changing on various days or with various songs. Song key will make a difference sometimes. I know when I Mixing projects sometimes a track will just mix itself almost and another track from the same band with the same instruments will be a struggle as things aren't gelling well frequency wise.

most people listen to their rig in isolation and get a sound they like, I can guarantee on a recording the mix engineer will be cutting most of the low end from a guitar and if you solo'd it it would sound thin and not that pleasing but it will fit in the track nicely. Same thing live, if you have a bass player and keyboards you don't want a lot of low end from a guitar, it takes up too much of the frequency range.

solo guitar is a different matter you can have any sound you like

have a listen to to Ted Greene's solo album...massive guitar sound , stunning playing too.


M

We ve been there with Dale comparison; as Bomba states; voltages fluctuate.
If a studio or P.A. company doesnt have a voltage regulated wall ac you might experience these symptoms with a amp.

[norburybrook]

This is disturbing. If results are generally not repeatable, how can one possibly fine-tune with component selections etc.? At least it says you have to listen over multiple sessions (days) to make a decision to choose one part over another, and any given recording might not be of any value in judging the sound. Why does this happen? is it physical or mental?

that's exactly why I struggle with the whole component thing in general. A good example recently with Alan Darby. I've helped him set up his rig meticulously to the point of obsession. I know exactly how it sounds in his large house. I went to the gig the other night and it sounded completely different in a club on stage, it was suddenly a bit harsh and seemed to have more gain???? nothing had changed except the sound was now in with a band rather than solo. So another guitarist, bass player, drums and keyboards all making the air move in the same space. Some frequencies get boosted some cut, there's various phase things going on, reflections, absorption all going to throw what 'your' particular rig sounds like in that moment. with components all you can do is listen in isolation and make your choice based at that particular moment, whether that means it's the right choice 2 days later in a session or on a gig is a different matter and I suppose you can then come home and change again to remedy this...however you could end up going mad here and changing every week .......therein lies madness though IMHO

Even in the studio , a controlled environment, I have experienced the sound of an amp changing on various days or with various songs. Song key will make a difference sometimes. I know when I Mixing projects sometimes a track will just mix itself almost and another track from the same band with the same instruments will be a struggle as things aren't gelling well frequency wise.

most people listen to their rig in isolation and get a sound they like, I can guarantee on a recording the mix engineer will be cutting most of the low end from a guitar and if you solo'd it it would sound thin and not that pleasing but it will fit in the track nicely. Same thing live, if you have a bass player and keyboards you don't want a lot of low end from a guitar, it takes up too much of the frequency range.

solo guitar is a different matter you can have any sound you like

have a listen to to Ted Greene's solo album...massive guitar sound , stunning playing too.


M

We ve been there with Dale comparison; as Bomba states; voltages fluctuate.
If a studio or P.A. company doesnt have a voltage regulated wall ac you might experience these symptoms with a amp.

sure, but I'm talking about other things Erwin, my studio voltage is very stable and I still experience sonic changes day to day due to the things mentioned above. Alan's amps were in a club so not at the mercy of a PA company. A badly placed mic at a larger gig can stuff you up big time too , fly in/out festivals are sometimes bad for this if yo don't have your own crew and sound people. Another reason the Kemper has become so popular with a lot of my touring friends.

Perhaps this should be a new thread and not part of Tony's lovely build.

apologies to tony for the OT.


M