Strat/Dumble. Always a problem for me until today!

[tag101]

I agree that the FET input sounds less natural.
-Aaron

Thats the way I hear it too. I just cant get a sound I am happy with regradless of what guitar I use. It just feels SS. I am not into using overdrive boxes either for the same reason. The Ethos can get very close sonically, but the feel is still SS. YMMV IMO etc.

[vibratoking]

Thanks for the post, tag. I appreciate the kick-start on the strat into my Dclone. I worked on it for a while, then gave up. I think I may try some new approaches.

[rogb]

HOLY SH>>>>>>>>> Is this the same guy?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

Sorry Mr1010101 I don't think you will last too long around here then, I think TGP is a lot more tolerant of bovine ordure

Anyway where's the Quinn guts shots/ tech details?

Otherwise I'm outta this thread, gotta polish up my "Politician" chops.

I have been here for years.

Here is a pic of the Quinn just for you!

[IMG:438:275]http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/1 ... 331480.jpg[/img]

Would love to hear you play Politician. Post it up!

Oh, your out of here? Dont let the door hit you on the bum while exiting!

How come you changed your tag Tag from Mr Dumble?

Too much heat generated under that name so you reinvented yourself a new user name?

Get outta here you troll, this ain't the Gear Page, have fun while it lasts, which I predict won't be long.

[tag101]

Nice!
Sorry about the confusion. Yea. Shad cloned my Dumble and actually nailed the tone. Not an easy thing to do it seems.

Quite a few guys post on here who are not builders, but have experience with real Dumbles. Its the "Dumble discussion" section.

Very cool! Look forward to hearing some sound clips to see how they turn out!

No time. I use it to practice playing, although I have thought about it. If I did build one, I am sure I would knock it out of the park!

Jeez I hope my Marshall doesn't sound too buzzy

Seriously I think you did a great job on that cartoon on YouTube.
Self parody is a great trait to possess. So many people out there can't laugh at themselves or their silly obsessions.

Back already??? WOW! Could not stay away very long I see!

[tag101]

HOLY SH>>>>>>>>> Is this the same guy?????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfbcDDuHHYw

Sorry Mr1010101 I don't think you will last too long around here then, I think TGP is a lot more tolerant of bovine ordure

Anyway where's the Quinn guts shots/ tech details?

Otherwise I'm outta this thread, gotta polish up my "Politician" chops.

I have been here for years.

Here is a pic of the Quinn just for you!

[IMG:438:275]http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/1 ... 331480.jpg[/img]

Would love to hear you play Politician. Post it up!

Oh, your out of here? Dont let the door hit you on the bum while exiting!

How come you changed your tag Tag from Mr Dumble?

Too much heat generated under that name so you reinvented yourself a new user name?

Get outta here you troll, this ain't the Gear Page, have fun while it lasts, which I predict won't be long.

Troll? Far from it Robbie. This was an interesting thread until you came in. Now why dont you stop trolling and do what you say and move on out of here.

[vibratoking]

Guys, please mellow out and be a little more accepting of one another.

robg - I am was merely trying to make you aware of the background. I am sorry if I started a war with my post. Tag has quite a bit to offer here as do you and many others. Let's all get along.

[talbany]

I believe most of the OD issues that surround the (single coil) Strats etc.. has much to do with how the Skyliner TS is voiced..Very heavy on the mids!!..The Classic stack (ie .047 mid cap 100k slope 100k mid pot) is a bit more Strat friendly (in OD).. It's really not that hard to figure out..The hotter the pickup the darker (less mids) and a hotter output to drive the front end and OD of coarse..There is always trade offs when going with a hotter output single coil so you have to find the right balance (which is what it sounds like Tag has found).. If you have stock (7k or so) Pups in it generally sounds best (Skyliner) not to run the gain up too high on the OD, just enough to generate some sustain and fatten up the tone a bit and like Aaron said give it some crunch when you lean into it!!..A Dumbleator (tube Loop) Might also help some since you can run the master (on the amp) up a bit higher to help give the tone some meat..Other things you can do is to put your OD trimmer on the outside somewhere and bump that up a bit when you go to singles or perhaps some kind of tone stack modification!!..I find fairly low output humbuckers (8-10k) to be a pretty good match with the Non HRM/Skyliner..But that is just me!!

Hey Tag..It would IMO be a wonderful thing if you could find out a bit more why exactly is it you like that guitar better..Like measure the DC resistance of the PUP's what type etc../Pot values/cap values or something some can learn from!!

Thanks for sharing!!

Tony

[tag101]

Let's all get along.

This! Thanks for the post!

[talbany]

Sorry this came in late and perhaps missed it!!

Hey Tag..It would IMO be a wonderful thing if you could find out a bit more why exactly is it you like that guitar better..Like measure the DC resistance of the PUP's what type etc../Pot values/cap values or something some can learn from!!

Thanks for sharing!!

Tony

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Tony

[ayan]

I believe most of the OD issues that surround the (single coil) Strats etc.. has much to do with how the Skyliner TS is voiced..Very heavy on the mids!!..The Classic stack (ie .047 mid cap 100k slope 100k mid pot) is a bit more Strat friendly (in OD).. It's really not that hard to figure out..The hotter the pickup the darker (less mids) and a hotter output to drive the front end and OD of coarse..There is always trade offs when going with a hotter output single coil so you have to find the right balance (which is what it sounds like Tag has found).. If you have stock (7k or so) Pups in it generally sounds best (Skyliner) not to run the gain up too high on the OD, just enough to generate some sustain and fatten up the tone a bit and like Aaron said give it some crunch when you lean into it!!..A Dumbleator (tube Loop) Might also help some since you can run the master up a bit higher to help give the tone some meat..Other things you can do is to put your OD trimmer on the outside somewhere and bump that up a bit when you go to singles or perhaps some kind of tone stack modification!!..I find fairly low output humbuckers (8-10k) to be a pretty good match with the Non HRM/Skyliner..But that is just me!!

Tony

What has worked for me with Strats and Skyliner EQs is to dial back the bass and mids on the amp. For my taste, as it turns out, a Strat sounds great with the treble say halfway up (Alpha pots, 15% taper, so "translate" this setting as needed), the mids on 3 and bass on 2-3. For the sake of comparison, if I dialed the amp for my Les Paul, the treble might come down a pinch and the mid and bass would go up, with all three controls around 4 or so; I use mostly the bridge pickup on my humbucker guitars. Also, the Strat seems to sound better with the preamp volume control as high as one can get away with and the OD "Level" control lower. Lastly, I have two Strats, one with Kinman blues ("quiet" pickups, slightly overwound) and one with 57/62 pickups (regular single coils, RPRW mid pickup, low output), and the later always sounds better no matter what I do to the amp.

The settings above work for me as they allow me to use my favorite "quack" position (middle + bridge pickups), the neck pickup by itself, and the bridge pickup by itself which requires dialing down the tone control on the guitar. However, if I wanted to use say the bridge pickup for leads and the middle for rhythm, the Les Paul settings would work "better."

Gil

[groovtubin]

robg - you are far behind on this one. tag101 has quite a history here and the gear page. He used to be known here as Mr Dumble. Your gear page reference is kind of funny whether you know it or not. Here is a link you may like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4I-NmeXS4

tag - -that strat sounds good, but not a good as something humbucker equipped. Do you know what Shad did to accomodate Strats better? My strats are pretty good into the FET input of my 102/183 clone, but still not nearly as satisfying as my Les Paul, for instance.

Shad didnt do anything. I think its just the guitar. My other Strats sounded like $hit through the amp to me, so I sold them all. (A Detemple and other Fenders) My Tele sounds so killer through the amp, I just ordered a set of Don Mare Strat Super Sports which has the same output as the ones in my Tele. That may make it sound even better. A hot Strat bridge pup really does make a difference. I have an old Mexican Strat that has really hot pups in it. No chime or quack, but man, the bridge KILLS into 183s overdriven channel. Not mid boost or PAB needed. I bet EMGs with that mid boost like Carlton used to have would sound great, although you lose a lot of that natural Start sound. The Mares may be just right with the fairly hot Bridge(7.3K I believe) and milder mid and neck pups. Anything above that, and I think you are going to lose to much of that top end that makes a strat a strat. At that point, you may as well use a different guitar I think.

oh man, i agree, just put a tele ( Tx specils) ) thru my HRM, OD ONLY, it was so awesome words do not decribe! But PERFECT does come to mind! Biting chewy harmonic blooming laden goodness!

[aflynt]

What has worked for me with Strats and Skyliner EQs is to dial back the bass and mids on the amp. For my taste, as it turns out, a Strat sounds great with the treble say halfway up (Alpha pots, 15% taper, so "translate" this setting as needed), the mids on 3 and bass on 2-3. For the sake of comparison, if I dialed the amp for my Les Paul, the treble might come down a pinch and the mid and bass would go up, with all three controls around 4 or so; I use mostly the bridge pickup on my humbucker guitars. Also, the Strat seems to sound better with the preamp volume control as high as one can get away with and the OD "Level" control lower. Lastly, I have two Strats, one with Kinman blues ("quiet" pickups, slightly overwound) and one with 57/62 pickups (regular single coils, RPRW mid pickup, low output), and the later always sounds better no matter what I do to the amp.

Gil

I run the clean volume high with the od and bass low too on my Strat. I leave the mids about 1/2 way up, though with an old 2-25 CTS pot. I like how the higher mids make the sound a bit fuller and in your face, but I can hear how some people would prefer the less honky and more transparent sound with it lower. It definitely sounds more "Fendery" lower.

-Aaron

[talbany]

Lastly, I have two Strats, one with Kinman blues

Gil

I just stuck a Kinman Blues in the bridge of my Jeff Beck Strat and like it much better (in OD) in my 102..My Tom Shorts Vintage (in my other Strat) are another story!!.


Tony

[Structo]

Tag has a lot of experience with different amps and guitars.

Particularly D style amps.

Tag how many D style ODS clones have you had over the years?

He doesn't have a lot of technical electronic knowledge but can offer how something sounds or works for him.
He can be a bit of a character at times , but in general is pretty cool and can offer quite a bit from his experiences.

[tag101]

Lastly, I have two Strats, one with Kinman blues ("quiet" pickups, slightly overwound) and one with 57/62 pickups (regular single coils, RPRW mid pickup, low output), and the later always sounds better no matter what I do to the amp.

Hey Gil, I hope all is well.

As I always do when buying a new guitar, I became a mad obsessed before I bought the one I have. And for probably the first time in my life, I bought it when it was not my favorite one tonally. It was the balance of tone and comfort with the 9.5 R neck and 6105 frets. It sounded great, and plays so easy, its insane. That being said, by far the best sounding Strat i played, and I played all kinds of Clones, C.shops, and everything I could get my paws on, was a plain old dead stock production Fender Vintage series 57 RI. It laid waste tonally to every Custom shop I put it against (including mine), but the tiny frets, 7.25 radius neck, and thick sticky finish just made it to hard to play. Now my guitar has the fat 50s pups, which many other CS guitars at this one place had, and they are hotter than the regular Custom shop 50s pups. The pups in the production 57/62 RIs are suppose to be low output, and around the same as the "normal" CS 50s version. Why and how then, did the guitar have about 10-20% more output, just as much treble bass and mids, and were every bit as clear or clearer than the "higher output" versions? (same string gauge, and about the same pup height). As I said, i just ordered a set of don Mare super Sports, but it was a very hard thing to go with them instead of a set of those 57/62 RI pups. For a long time (years ago), my main guitar was a Daphne blue 57RI, and I tried almost every pup made back then thinking I was going to get something that killed those stock fenders. I listened after I changed them, and made elaborate clips comparing each set of pups, playing the exact same chords and licks. I remember really digging a set of Duncan Alnico 2s, but I ended up with the stock pups. They sounded better than anything else i tried, and my more than a small margin. I can get that 57 in Surf green (my favorite color ) brand new for around $11-1,200 because they are discontinuing them. I am still debating on whether to grab it because it was just a great guitar, or if fender just got those pups "right' the first time, and I should get a set of those. Regardless, that guitar was off the charts great. One of the best sounding Strats I have ever played in my life. Little neck, little frets, thick finish, and a tone that would blow you away.