Dumble Clip Challenge

['67_Plexi]

I definately does prove my initial point to all this. Clips really aren't the best indicator.

Yep I jumped in!! What I was saying was that I specifically was listening for bass content and for some bizarre reason it never dawned on me you had PAB on the Dumble (as I hate that tone). Therefore I chose the way I did. Maybe I wouldn't have gotten it right if you posed a non PAB clip, but I would have been listening for different stuff.....

Doesn't alter my preference for clip C!

10% of people got it right. I don't think the PAB would have made any difference personally. It was sheer chance that I picked that one, I did record a couple without PAB and to be honest I doubt it would have changed anything. Everything I play through sounds like a Marshall anyway !! I just thought the OD-2 pulls the tone stack out of the circuit in OD mode, lets just use a PAB version.
At least Scott actually voted unlike a few 'Dumble Dudes' that shoot crap all over the Gear page all the time.
Personally I think he jumped in with both feet and didn't listen carefully enough to the clips. More analysis would have revealed some things, especially in the OD clips.

I'm happy that the people close to me and my amps all got it right though.

Actually Gil, I propose to you the question, Is there really such thing as a Dumble tone ? I had to wrestle with this one to get anything like an OD tone that felt comfortable. The last time that happened to me was with a MK 2b Mesa Boogie. The reason is this amp was not made for me. Each one is it's own entity with characters unique to just that one. There are trademark characters in all of them, but nothing suffers more from an associative misunderstanding than these amps.
Robben Ford tone......thats what the average guy on the street thinks. Have him play one dry without a Dumbleator and it's like playing Metallica through a Twin Reverb.

THe HRM was a huge advancement to my ears, but I never saw that as an endpoint either. That circuit has much more ability to be adapted to different styles if you will stray out of what Dumble did.
Playing my amps I have all the way from from the touch sensitivity of guys like Eric Johnson , Joe Bonasmassa, David Grissom to the sheer power of Drop C/D bombardment of Dr Know of Bad Brains all from essentially the same amp with minor component tweaks.
You couldn't cover that ground with a non-HRM.

To nitpick on your comment, we will never know whether or not that would have been the case. But besides, Scott, to me the very idea was that the amp sounded like a Dumble with PAB on, without having to read your post indicating whether or not that was the case. Furthermore, I was not the only one who felt that way.

The interesting correlation I can make is that at some, if not most, of us who got it right tend favor non HRM sounds as a matter of principle (not sure about Norm's feelings regaring HRM VS non HRM). Extrapolating from there: "If you prefer HRM sounds, you can't tell a Dumble from another amp." Ha ha!

Cheers,

Gil

[kleinm]

Playing my amps I have all the way from from the touch sensitivity of guys like Eric Johnson , Joe Bonasmassa, David Grissom to the sheer power of Drop C/D bombardment of Dr Know of Bad Brains all from essentially the same amp with minor component tweaks.

Props for the Bad Brains reference. Huge fan.

"Banned in DC" anyone?

[ayan]

Actually Gil, I propose to you the question, Is there really such thing as a Dumble tone ?

I suspect, based upon your replies to my posts here and at TGP, that you probably are not all that familiar with me or my writing style. Perhaps that will change with time. Until then, perhaps some thoughts: you posted a clip, a few of us made a guess about which amp was the Dumble and which one was not. Some got it right, some got it wrong. End of that story. Was my correct guess due to sheer luck? Most likely yes, there was a 25% probablility of picking the right combination, so it's not like I scored over 200 on the IQ test or anything like that.

Do I believe there is a single Dumble tone? I don't think so. It just turns out that on the test you conducted, I picked the real amp from the clone. No more, no less.

Cheers and chills,

Gil

[larsmuller]

I thought B and D was dumble.... I found that B was a tat sweeter than A. So I thought that the Caroll Ann Amp had better cleans but the Dumble had better lead. Great amp though...

[dartanion]

I could care less which amp was what, but I like the real Dumble clips better. Clip B sounded really good, but there is a rattiness on the edge of the hard strummed chord that sours the clean for me. It was a bit too low mid and bassy overall that made the individual notes less defined. Clip C sounds slightly muffled to me as well and the feedback doesn't sing like clip D. Clip D again was brighter, had more bite when dug into, and the feedback sang like a horny bird.

Both amps sound really nice, so it comes down to nit picking a clip. Let me hear and play each one live for a realistic comparo! Mix in a full band and you'll likely not know the difference.

[Fischerman]

Clip B sounded really good, but there is a rattiness on the edge of the hard strummed chord that sours the clean for me.

dart,
There was a some recorder/digital clipping in clip B that Alan mentioned in the original TGP thread, especially evident on that last clean chord...could that be the rattiness you're hearing?

[dartanion]

That's probably the issue for the rattiness on that chord, overwhelming the mic and clipping. I didn't bother reading the whole thread. Most folks there piss me off.

[groovtubin]

I asked Alan about PAB and he told me that he had PAB on. My original guess was 100% wrong!! I based my decision on the bass content of the OD tones. Obviously, with PAB on there was a lack of bass on the Dumble, and certainly not my fave tone. I thought the lack of bass and middiness of the tone indicated EL34. If I knew PAB was on, I would have gotten the OD right.

Structo,
He's not referring to Tag's 'Politician' thread...it's another thread...much shorter and thus far is not straying too far from Alan's intentions (a pleasant surprise).

Alan,
I may have missed it but did you answer Scott's PAB question and did Scott ever make his pick?

Scott, i made my decision based on the BUILT in DATOR in CA`s amp..

oh BTW Hello Scott.... UR SAA

['67_Plexi]

Actually Gil, I propose to you the question, Is there really such thing as a Dumble tone ?

I suspect, based upon your replies to my posts here and at TGP, that you probably are not all that familiar with me or my writing style. Perhaps that will change with time. Until then, perhaps some thoughts: you posted a clip, a few of us made a guess about which amp was the Dumble and which one was not. Some got it right, some got it wrong. End of that story. Was my correct guess due to sheer luck? Most likely yes, there was a 25% probablility of picking the right combination, so it's not like I scored over 200 on the IQ test or anything like that.

Do I believe there is a single Dumble tone? I don't think so. It just turns out that on the test you conducted, I picked the real amp from the clone. No more, no less.

Cheers and chills,

Gil

Forgive me, I don't know you as you quite accurately stated and to the uninformed, it did look like bickering between two Dumble archeaologists.

I do know Scott pretty well. He's a friend.

The idea of the test was merely to see how valid clips are. no more, no less. It was all stated in the beginning. It was a harmless piece of fun.

Alan.

['67_Plexi]

That's probably the issue for the rattiness on that chord, overwhelming the mic and clipping. I didn't bother reading the whole thread. Most folks there piss me off.

Personally, I'm more of a face to face person. I just don't play well in cyber-space for some reason.

In fairness there are a lot of really nice folks on TGP. It's just some of the most active ones that aren't. Seems like it can taint the whole thing.

[dartanion]

That's probably the issue for the rattiness on that chord, overwhelming the mic and clipping. I didn't bother reading the whole thread. Most folks there piss me off.

Personally, I'm more of a face to face person. I just don't play well in cyber-space for some reason.

In fairness there are a lot of really nice folks on TGP. It's just some of the most active ones that aren't. Seems like it can taint the whole thing.

I can put up with a lot of BS and poop-flinging in active conversations, it's when the mods go berserk is when I flew the coop. No need to go into details, so I'll choose to stay away for now.

I don't think we ever crossed paths there, so offense taken.

[snider]

That's probably the issue for the rattiness on that chord, overwhelming the mic and clipping. I didn't bother reading the whole thread. Most folks there piss me off.

In fairness there are a lot of really nice folks on TGP. It's just some of the most active ones that aren't. Seems like it can taint the whole thing.

Care to name some names of the ones that "aren't nice"?

[Structo]

One only has to peruse the threads at TGP to see who's who.
There are so many members there with different demographics that it seems most threads can't end without some sort of pissing match.
I go there sometimes when I'm bored but most days I don't.
YMMV