HobbswheresCalvin wrote:Wow man. Thanks, sounds like the liverpool is the way to go. Do you have any clips with the seven string you could share, about how much did it cost you to build, and did you build it from a kit.
Sorry i have tons of questions about this.
Also i started a post in the tech discussion area. I am an instrument tech, with alot of experience ans alot of curiousity. So far i put up my black belt secrets on setup. Some of them that is . So if you want, go check it out. It may help get a bit more feeling out of your guitar. And mayb we can trade some info on the 2 subjects more, id love to learn amp building. And ive got alot of info on guitar craft
It might give you some more insight into the sound. My amp is not a stock Liverpool so I can answer questions as you might have them.
Unfortunately, no, I don't have any current sound clips. I really need to invest in a recording setup. Trainwrecks are very transparent so they are very much affected by the guitars (and the player) in front of them. Case in point is the major difference between the sound of my Ibanez 1527 Prestige 7 strings and my PRS Singlecut 245. The 7 strings are basswood bodies and have a very even sound. I have one with an all maple neck and the other maple with rosewood fretboard. The PRS is a huge slab of very musical mahogany and a thick maple top. Great Les Paul sounding guitar but frankly, I don't like the PRS 245 pickups. They sound good with a Marshall but definitely not the Liverpool. The tone that I'm getting is very much like a cross between Van Halen (think Drop Dead Legs) and Rush (Camera Eye...my favorite Rush tune!). Very progressive sounding! I'm using Greenback speakers and the tone is nothing short of the voice of heaven. EVs which I like with Marshalls sound horrible (another unexpected surprise).
The thing I like about the Liverpool is the very musical tone and the transparency. The note separation even under extreme gain is phenomenal. That's what I've been looking for in an amp forever. I think basswood is very even sounding and for progressive rock/metal/fusion it is a good choice (at least for me). Right now I am really loving my all maple neck 7. I can't wait to get my "permanent" Liverpool and Express done.
I did read (and commented) on your guitar setup thread Hobbs. So thanks for posting those tips. Great stuff!
O rad, ya i messaged rjguitars.net but i havent heard back yet, though that is as much as i can expect during the holidays. Hes got an awesome website.
I did see the schematics and BOM section. The kit from rjguitars is a bit cheaper. Obviously probably because he buys parts in bulk. So i was going to try and get it thru him.
i have one of the Zoom H1s, it doesnt have video but i find the sound i get from the records is unbelievably clear. ive done some stuff in an old basement that was tho crude and one take, it came out clear as a bell, you could even hear the dogs collar in the recording along with the string nuances of my playing in the background.. tho it obviously turned out to be a bad recording because of this. the amount of frequency clearity you get with the new zoom products is really unbelievable. mayb something to look into to just recording your ideas
Has Anyone had experiences with the liverpool through Celestion Vintage 30s? i have one of the MojoTone Marshall 1968 Clones with them that i was planning on using it through.
my guitars include an ESP Eclipse II with Low output pickups. A George Benson Signature in the bridge and an Air Classic in the Neck. this is my main guitar.
My Other Guitar is a combination of a Warmoth Mahogany Neck and Ebony Fretboard, and a 1 piece Honduras Mahogany soloist style body. this was my first guitar build and it has no paint on the body. verrrry resonant mahogany. sounds amazing acoustic. though i have yet to find pickups that accent it correctly.
Awesome, so long as it will sound decent. I have an old Mesa Boogie vertical 2x12 with EV Blackshadows, rated at 200 watts a piece, but that works well with my Fender Super Twin Reverb.
i havent found an amp that works well with the vintage 30s since my Framus. man do i miss that amp. but i think a nice trainwreck will seat nicely on top of the Mashall Cab.
Rad, i read most of the info on your thread about the version of the liverpool you build, alot of it is above my head, as i am an instrument tech, not electronics. im sure ill have questions on the ride into this project.
That is some first rate video processing... very cool stuff and a bit of a departure from the typical trainwreck crowd we have pass through here.
Sellout RR gave a really good piece of info on the Trainwreck sound when he mentions they are setup to cut through the mix. I agree that they tend to drop off that low end and favor the 400Hz+ frequencies.
I've got three clips that I like of home-built amps. One is an amp made by Big Jim here on the forum. This is the amp that is often identified as a standard when folks ask me about parts packages... Jim simply used a standard parts package and was very meticulous about following the established Trainwreck specifications mentioned here on this forum. His amp turned out great and has inspired several others. the other two clips are of an amp built by Ryan Hunt over in Phoenix. He's a real amp master and has put together many fantastic sounding amps. These clips demo some of the key characteristics of the Trainwreck Express sound. I'll see if I can find some good clips of a Liverpool in the mean time.
IMHO the Express is the most extreme and has lots of that in your face attitude. The Liverpool is a little less extreme although it's no soft spoken lightweight... not quite as loud, just a little less in your face, and bit more British than the Express. YMMV
What i really like is the throatyness of the amp. i like that 400hz bump. while recording our new record i really took alof of the 200-280hz out which as you guys said is where the muddyness is. because your getting into the bass range.
every note on those reocrdings comes thru like the ring of a bell. even with the simple video cam mics. thats what im looking for, because especially live in those small venues.. theres no articulation.. it may work for some bands. but i really want this to be as clean as possible even if it is deathmetal. Cleanliness is godliness. and what better thing to be is an ORC thats a god to humans hahahah.
but i am looking to up the ante with metal. most of them play dirty live because they cant play what they put on the records clean. i want that to not be a factor with us.
plus ive been a live sound engineer here in town at one of the biggest venues, and my ears are very seinsitive. i dont want them blown out with these cheap amps night after night.
if need be ill throw my super twin reverb underneath the sound to add the low end. but i definitely want the trainwreck sound in my signal
id love to hear what a liverpool sounds like opened up
and i think with the amp i want to build a power scaling section into it just so i can open it up full bore but not have all the volume when its not necessary
Reeltarded is refering to a TW preamp with a Marshall power section.
Basically Wreck, " Modify", a Marshall to obtain the qualities of the Trainwreck. This would give you the 100watt power section and head room that would help in the "balls" department.
. So if you want, go check it out. It may help get a bit more feeling out of your guitar. And mayb we can trade some info on the 2 subjects more, id love to learn amp building. And ive got alot of info on guitar craft
