WELL, I could not resist. QUINN TKT 183 6L6 INCOMING!

[Mr Dumble]

I'll be running my Quinn 183 preamp into a 6L6 power amp w/ a d-lator. Problem is my amp (which is the power amp) has the the Bluesmaster PI. Will the the non-HRM Skyliner pre-amp sound weird with the Bluesmaster Phase Inverter in my amp? It will probably be changed to a different config. if it doesn't sound right when I get the preamp. I've searched the forum and I havn't found anybody that used a non-hrm in to a Bluesmaster PI in any of their builds.

IMO, dump ANYTHING bluesmaster when it comes to overdriven tones. UGGHH!!! (Great cleans though!)

[ayan]

I'll be running my Quinn 183 preamp into a 6L6 power amp w/ a d-lator. Problem is my amp (which is the power amp) has the the Bluesmaster PI. Will the the non-HRM Skyliner pre-amp sound weird with the Bluesmaster Phase Inverter in my amp? It will probably be changed to a different config. if it doesn't sound right when I get the preamp. I've searched the forum and I havn't found anybody that used a non-hrm in to a Bluesmaster PI in any of their builds.

If you will be slaving into amp's preamp into another amp's power amp, all bets are off and it's hard to say what anything will sound like. The BM PI and power section will sound fine until you begin to make the PI break up, and then you'll either like that or not... I sold my BM build to a friend who claims he's never played a better amp with a Strat, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. Also, Larry Carlton's amp has a Bluesmaster PI and power amp section. The reason I didn't like the BM is that the clean channel would run out of headroom at band volumes for me... so that was the end of that. Great clean sounds and overdrives sounds at "low" volumes (i.e., not a band with horns in it).

Cheers,

Gil

[ayan]

I'll be running my Quinn 183 preamp into a 6L6 power amp w/ a d-lator. Problem is my amp (which is the power amp) has the the Bluesmaster PI. Will the the non-HRM Skyliner pre-amp sound weird with the Bluesmaster Phase Inverter in my amp? It will probably be changed to a different config. if it doesn't sound right when I get the preamp. I've searched the forum and I havn't found anybody that used a non-hrm in to a Bluesmaster PI in any of their builds.

IMO, dump ANYTHING bluesmaster when it comes to overdriven tones. UGGHH!!! (Great cleans though!)

May I suggest you consider modifying your statement to read: "IMH, FU, O..."? Glad you're enjoying your new amps. [FWIW, the BM is not my favorite amp either.]

Cheers,

Gil

[Mac Daddy]

Hey Mark. I really want a 1/12 combo, but the speaker proves to be the problem in that set up. I may have found the solution thanks to Brad however. He picked up a vintage 2/12 fender front ported cab that has 2 JBLs in it. ("D"s I think) It sounds AMAZING with the TKTs and Dumble, and he has 2 extra speakers. I am thinking one of those may do the trick. I just cant stand the sound of the EVs with these amps, although my E.Pro LOVED them. Any other speaker you can think of that would handle 100 watts and sound great with a Dumble? I dislike Altecs as well.[/quote]

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I only have one extra JBL , But I know were the other matching one is

[Mr Dumble]

I'll be running my Quinn 183 preamp into a 6L6 power amp w/ a d-lator. Problem is my amp (which is the power amp) has the the Bluesmaster PI. Will the the non-HRM Skyliner pre-amp sound weird with the Bluesmaster Phase Inverter in my amp? It will probably be changed to a different config. if it doesn't sound right when I get the preamp. I've searched the forum and I havn't found anybody that used a non-hrm in to a Bluesmaster PI in any of their builds.

IMO, dump ANYTHING bluesmaster when it comes to overdriven tones. UGGHH!!! (Great cleans though!)

May I suggest you consider modifying your statement to read: "IMH, FU, O..."? Glad you're enjoying your new amps. [FWIW, the BM is not my favorite amp either.]

Cheers,

Gil

Hey Gil,
How is this ? To my ears, the BM circuit has great cleans, but is somewhat...ummm... "HARSH" when overdriven.

[ayan]

Hey Gil,
How is this ? To my ears, the BM circuit has great cleans, but is somewhat...ummm... "HARSH" when overdriven.

I agree about the cleans, and I believe most everyone else feels the same way about the cleans on that configuration. The overdrive sound is another story, and it took me over a year to dial it in right. That being the case, I still was not crazy about the boost in the amp so I modified it to where it worked for me, but not necessarily in an ideal way. I tuned my amp to be used with a Strat, and the friend that ended up buying my amp totally loves it. For me, the regular non HRM SKyliner is an all aoround better, easier to use, amp. Yes, the cleans are stiffer, but once you put it on a stage, it just "works." But, for a "Beano" kind of sound, or ever Ritchie Blackmore style Strat tone, the Blues Master amp delivers. It doesn't do the higher gain stuff so well, and there is no instant gratification as with the other amps that make it easy to play a guitar because they are compressed... but without being overly so.

Cheers,

Gil

[boldaslove6789]

Gil,

BTW,My amp is an regular HRM, high plate, Skyliner EQ. The only thing that has Bluesmaster specs is the PI. The OD sounds steller on my amp (probably because I opted to not have any Bluesmaster specs on anything other than the PI). I plan to mod the PI to skyliner specs as I have the same headroom problem as most. The Bluesmaster breaks up soo quick, now I see how Carlton can get those semi-overdriven tones using just the clean and a humbucker equipped guitar. I need big fat super clean,cleans.....

[ayan]

Gil,

BTW,My amp is an regular HRM, high plate, Skyliner EQ. The only thing that has Bluesmaster specs is the PI. The OD sounds steller on my amp (probably because I opted to not have any Bluesmaster specs on anything other than the PI). I plan to mod the PI to skyliner specs as I have the same headroom problem as most. The Bluesmaster breaks up soo quick, now I see how Carlton can get those semi-overdriven tones using just the clean and a humbucker equipped guitar. I need big fat super clean,cleans.....

I believe everything is a good thing depending on what one wants. Gary Johnson has said, more than once, that a BM preamp into a non HRM overdrive section is "the bomb." I'm not sure what kind of PI he would have wired into that mutt, but it could be that a BM preamp into the rest of a non HRM amp would be the best of both (clean and OD) worlds. to lil' old me I am too tired of messing around witn amps anymore to get the inspiration to turn on my soldering iron... Hopefully some of you guys will be messing around with that kind of stuff and sharing your findings with the rest of us.

Gil

[jaysg]

But, for a "Beano" kind of sound, or even Ritchie Blackmore style Strat tone, the Blues Master amp delivers. It doesn't do the higher gain stuff so well, and there is no instant gratification as with the other amps that make it easy to play a guitar because they are compressed... but without being overly so.

Gil, for this example, do you mean cranking the clean sound on the BM or with the OD engaged?

btw, on your more recent post, I thought Jelle built at least one Bluesmaster like that.

[vibratoking]

Any other speaker you can think of that would handle 100 watts and sound great with a Dumble?

Scholz Sugarcone. Great speaker. I like it better than any of the speakers I own or have tried. And that is quiet a lot.

I haven't tried it with a Dumble clone, but I use it in my Fuchs ODS 1/12 combo. I like it better than the EV12L, G12-65, other Celestions or many of the Eminence types I have tried, including the Delta Pro.

[Chad]

Yes sir. All NOS again. This one will be exactly like the one I have now with the obvious exception of replacing the Marshall transformer to accept the 6L6s. 3-4 months. The waiting is the hardest part.

Dear Tag, I'm happy for you that your new amp turned out what you wished for.
I'm a player like you and have very basic understanding on how an amp works. I really appreciate this forum, not because I want to build an amp myself, but to learn more how an amp works and what make them tick a certain way. I have not much to bring to the party, that's why my posts are pretty sparse. This forum is a pretty good education for me and I thank all the builders here who share their knowledge.

I love this forum, because it's so different than any other music gear forums. I understand that one is excited about his/her new acquisition, however I love this forum because it's not a marketing platform.

I have a simple taste in amps, but my amps are built by a small well known one-man operation company. I love 'em and have my third one on order, but I think this is not the right forum to post over and over how good my new amp is. I respect the builders on this forum and I think it's not the right forum to market any individual builder. If I'm wrong, please moderators correct me.
I read your posts on TGP and as much as I understand your point, these posts mostly went crazy and not in a good way.

Of course, you can tell me not to read them. But I joined this board because I don't like the hostile and mostly unprofessional comments towards certain gear, players and opinions .

I understand your excitement, however please don't turn this great forum into another TGP.

Thanks,
59Pro

Wow!! What a bizarre post. ?? Sorry don't get it. There are at least 10 threads on the first page of the Dumble Discussion Forum that have the builders name or the amps commercial name in the title. Are you going to go on everyone of those threads and tell the OP that he shouldn't be posting either because he's naming the amp or the builder therefore somehow marketing that builder or that amp by that builder, or are you just going after Tag here for some reason? Sure comes across as the later. If so. It's not cool and it sheds a much poorer light on this Forum than anything Tag has ever done here.
If you are here for the reason you say you are, then you should be asking Tag what this new amp is about and finding out how it works instead of blasting him for posting about it.
I for one, am very interested in this amp. As a matter of fact I ordered one right after Tag ordered his. Interesting concept powering 6L6's with tweaked EL34 power. Our gain, your loss I guess.

Maybe your post count should still be at 14?

Whats so bizarre? Everyone has their own opinion right? Oh well I guess you have one as well as I have one myself. No big deal. Chad

[M Fowler]

Tag how are the two amps going to be set-up as far speaker cabinets and what speakers are you going to use for the EL34 verses the new 6L6 amp being built?

Will you go with a stereo gigging rig?

Mark

Hey Mark. I really want a 1/12 combo, but the speaker proves to be the problem in that set up. I may have found the solution thanks to Brad however. He picked up a vintage 2/12 fender front ported cab that has 2 JBLs in it. ("D"s I think) It sounds AMAZING with the TKTs and Dumble, and he has 2 extra speakers. I am thinking one of those may do the trick. I just cant stand the sound of the EVs with these amps, although my E.Pro LOVED them. Any other speaker you can think of that would handle 100 watts and sound great with a Dumble? I dislike Altecs as well.

Tag, no I don't have any suggestions I am looking for some JBLs D120 and only found D140s locally.

Mark

[ayan]

But, for a "Beano" kind of sound, or even Ritchie Blackmore style Strat tone, the Blues Master amp delivers. It doesn't do the higher gain stuff so well, and there is no instant gratification as with the other amps that make it easy to play a guitar because they are compressed... but without being overly so.

Gil, for this example, do you mean cranking the clean sound on the BM or with the OD engaged?

btw, on your more recent post, I thought Jelle built at least one Bluesmaster like that.

I meant the amp in OD mode, no PAB. That was a good sound.

Gil

[jaysg]

I meant the amp in OD mode, no PAB. That was a good sound.

Gil

Thanks for the clarification...good to know.

[rob@tele]

According to the layout of the 183, the power transformer is a replacement for a fender twin. As 183 has EL34's I guess that it is not a problem for the power transformer to handle the extra 0.7x4 = 2.8 A (6L6 0.9A v.s. EL34 1.6A) heater current. Am i right?