TGP hates Military Vets

[HeeBGB]

Like it or not JM is doing a good thing by playing the music of Hendrix. He is exposing a LOT of kids to music they would otherwise never be exposed to. Yes it is watered down for the masses to consume just like everything else in this day and age. (Coors Light anyone?) Some of those kids, albeit very few, will see that THAT song was written by J.Hendrix and go back and look him up. And then hear the real deal and a lot more. Some may even like it

JM's not so bad. Celine Dion doing AC/DC! Now THAT"S bad!

[nickm57]

Kids or the ones I teach (these days that is quite a few) come with a knowledge of Hendrix, from you tube and ipods. They get it first hand and played with intent, soul, conviction and originality. They don't need and most don't like it second hand. JM is just not on their radar as cool. He maybe cool to the guitar geek community, but that's a problem that has nothing to do with music

You know kids get it when "What's going on" by Marvin Gaye is as loved as RATM "Killing in the Name". No dumbles on those tracks but boy do they make a statement.

[wsaraceni]

[quote="nickm57"]Kids or the ones I teach (these days that is quite a few) come with a knowledge of Hendrix, from you tube and ipods. [quote]

thats fine as long as they dont try to play it on their own, especially in front of a paying audience. but they can play machine gun once they finish bootcamp apparently.

[Zippy]

Some of those kids, albeit very few, will see that THAT song was written by J.Hendrix and go back and look him up. And then hear the real deal and a lot more.

I'd like to give a nod to my friend, Billy Roberts, too. Wherever you are, Billy, I wish you well.

[dr. who]

thats fine as long as they dont try to play it on their own, especially in front of a paying audience. but they can play machine gun once they finish bootcamp apparently.

I guess butchering a song, and playing it without any soul is perfectly acceptable to you...just cause you can flub thru something doesn't mean you should play it.

[nickm57]

Kids or the ones I teach (these days that is quite a few) come with a knowledge of Hendrix, from you tube and ipods.

thats fine as long as they dont try to play it on their own, especially in front of a paying audience. but they can play machine gun once they finish bootcamp apparently.

^ Miss quote from me there?

My point was Kids have so much choice these days and the generation line on music is far less than it used to be. You had to buy a record to hear Frank Zappa, and there was far less footage of music. You can now just look up John Coltrane playing "My favorite things".

A lot of the current commercial driven(Major Label ) music, has lost touch with it's audience. Kids and Adults in general pick up on the lack of soul, and in turn consume the older product.

JM is just one example of this, he is a product not an artist. By doing bad covers of great music he will remain one. Even though he might have the talent and audience base to do more.
It's about respecting the Art. (Music is an Art you know)

[wsaraceni]

Kids or the ones I teach (these days that is quite a few) come with a knowledge of Hendrix, from you tube and ipods. ^ Miss quote from me there?

My point was Kids have so much choice these days and the generation line on music is far less than it used to be. You had to buy a record to hear Frank Zappa, and there was far less footage of music. You can now just look up John Coltrane playing "My favorite things".

A lot of the current commercial driven(Major Label ) music, has lost touch with it's audience. Kids and Adults in general pick up on the lack of soul, and in turn consume the older product.

JM is just one example of this, he is a product not an artist. By doing bad covers of great music he will remain one. Even though he might have the talent and audience base to do more.
It's about respecting the Art. (Music is an Art you know)

no. just using your quote to reiterate the original spirit of the thread

[wsaraceni]

thats fine as long as they dont try to play it on their own, especially in front of a paying audience. but they can play machine gun once they finish bootcamp apparently.

I guess butchering a song, and playing it without any soul is perfectly acceptable to you...just cause you can flub thru something doesn't mean you should play it.

if your playing it to the best of your ability with sincerity, i dont see how it can be without soul.

technically you can murder a song, but when it comes to the soul, who are we to judge what the song does for a person.

i agree some people just sound horrible playing certain things, but your original thread had nothing to do with his technical abilities and everything to do with the fact that he was never in a war.

[HeeBGB]

My point was Kids have so much choice these days and the generation line on music is far less than it used to be. You had to buy a record to hear Frank Zappa, and there was far less footage of music. You can now just look up John Coltrane playing "My favorite things".

I agree with this!

A lot of the current commercial driven(Major Label ) music, has lost touch with it's audience. Kids and Adults in general pick up on the lack of soul, and in turn consume the older product.

Absolutely untrue. It is a fact that each successive generation wants their own identity. They DO NOT want to listen to their fathers music! There are exceptions to that BUT they are exceptions not the rule.

JM is just one example of this, he is a product not an artist. By doing bad covers of great music he will remain one. Even though he might have the talent and audience base to do more.
It's about respecting the Art. (Music is an Art you know)

Artists have been product since the dawn of the record industry. "Rock-N-Roll" was a way to package the product! Coined by a DJ in Cleveland and adopted by music A&R men the world over.

Tell me what percentage of the general music listening population are the students you referred to earlier? I said JM is bringing Hendrix to "the masses". ie:much larger number of people than you were talking about. You know...non musicians?

At any rate....at this point in time any exposure is good even if it is watered down. You may not agree but that's the way I see it.

[Zippy]

i agree some people just sound horrible playing certain things, but your original thread had nothing to do with his technical abilities and everything to do with the fact that he (Mayer) was never in a war.

What the OP finally stated was this:

He (Hendrix) did however use a M16 during training, as well as practice chopper evacuations, and parachute jumps. He was stationed where there were tests done with the missles from the choppers so he did get to hear one of the two types of screamers.

NEITHER Hendrix nor Mayer served in a war. For all I know, perhaps Mayer has gone to a gun club and experienced the sound of small arms and rapid fire.

Dr. Who didn't serve during the Vietnam era either.

Are you experienced?

Yeah, I'm a vet and (well) over 50. I don't care to listen to Mayer but that has nothing to do with his lack of military service. I just don't like his snooty attitude.

[dartanion]

Jimi Hendrix had his influences and you can hear it in most every album. Lot's of Albert King in his sting. Jimi didn't conjure up everything himself, he used his knowledge of blues and jazz, then added mind altering chemicals to the mix. Huge skills and natural ability aside, Jimi just blew peoples minds by doing his thing. Hard to jump into someone's persona and pull it off, especially Jimi. His music was so influential that it's considered sacred to many, thus any bad covers are blasphemy.

Now, John Mayer has developed a style that most guitarists can't identify with. He is a killer guitarist, can sing pretty well, but he writes love songs and catchy tunes that play directly to the female music market. Rather ingenious in many regards. Not exactly my pint of beer, but I do dig a couple of his songs. My wife loves him, but gets pissy when I tell her, "He ripped that riff off from Hendrix!"

Now, record companies in the past 2, maybe 3 decades (since the 00 decade is over) have been feeding the market with what they view as "Marketable". Talent is secondary. Image is everything. My wife gives me grief all the time about listening to nothing but dead people's music. Well, I just can't get into the likes of Nickel Back, Matchbox 20, Creed, 3 Doors Down, not to mention all that top 40 shite! Yuck. I'll stick with what stirs my soul, whether it's Wes Montgomery or Yngwie J. Malmsteen

Greg,

Anything by Celine Dion is poison to my ears!

[wsaraceni]

i agree some people just sound horrible playing certain things, but your original thread had nothing to do with his technical abilities and everything to do with the fact that he (Mayer) was never in a war.

What the OP finally stated was this:

He (Hendrix) did however use a M16 during training, as well as practice chopper evacuations, and parachute jumps. He was stationed where there were tests done with the missles from the choppers so he did get to hear one of the two types of screamers.

NEITHER Hendrix nor Mayer served in a war. For all I know, perhaps Mayer has gone to a gun club and experienced the sound of small arms and rapid fire.

Dr. Who didn't serve during the Vietnam era either.

Are you experienced?

Yeah, I'm a vet and (well) over 50. I don't care to listen to Mayer but that has nothing to do with his lack of military service. I just don't like his snooty attitude.

1st. thank you for your service. i know that a good part of the reason i get to sit home and type on forums like this is beacuse a lot of people paid with their lives to give us that opportunity.

my whole issue was i think that its fine to not like an artist, but its kinda dumb to say they shouldnt play a song because they were never in the military.

now back to the original topic. Maybe mayer has the new call of duty modern warfare 2. the m4 is full auto and the m16 is three round burst.

[wsaraceni]

also, i like mayer the best when he sounds like himself. for anyone that really dislikes mayer, check out his new song "assassin"

i'd really like to hear your take on that one

[dr. who]

also, i like mayer the best when he sounds like himself. for anyone that really dislikes mayer, check out his new song "assassin"

i'd really like to hear your take on that one

Pretty awful except the 15 or so seconds of meh soloing out of 6+ mins of crap. Lyrics aside I think that he spends more time thinking of how he will do his hair, makeup, and wardrobe than coming up with the music.

[wsaraceni]

we must have very different musical tastes then. i love the steve/pino combo in the song and think the whole song is really well written. haha.

please dont listen to the track after assassin, i dont think i could take the reviews.