Two rock custom reverb sig sounds and guts

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Re: Two rock custom reverb sig sounds and guts

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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:A few more. Not much to gain with the silicone sandwich in there....customer was pretty livid that it could not be tweaked. TR told him "nothing wrong with it", 'cept it sounds small and thin....
I'm sure the goop subject has been beaten to death on this board somewhere. But it's lame, defeatable, and effectively prevents the customer from taking an iron to their board to tweak it. Encase it in black lexan or something if you really want to protect your values. And if a component fails or falls out of tolerance on that board, is the whole circuit just replaced completely during the warranty period?

Haven't seen the voltage regulators on the power supply board before. Their lead dress seems to wax and wane through the years. I've got a Custom Reverb (non sig) showing up tomorrow that I picked up on eBay. I thought the layout/lead dress looked better in this amp than the later amps that were signed by Skinner on the inside.

My eye isn't that well trained, but here's a gut shot of the amp that is showing up tomorrow. It looks cleaner than the one you posted. Hope it sounds nice!

Still curious about that 22uf vs 47uf 500v cap on the effects loop.
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:A few more. Not much to gain with the silicone sandwich in there....customer was pretty livid that it could not be tweaked. TR told him "nothing wrong with it", 'cept it sounds small and thin....
I had the blue chassis Custom Reverb Sig v2 50W and it was the biggest amp-disappointment in my life. It was thin and also very hard to dial in the OD. If you had a good clean tone, the OD sounded weird and fizzy. Turn off the bright on the clean and the OD sounded ok, but the clean was muddy and dark. Heard some good Two Rocks after that, but this one wasn't there. Played the 100W version of the CRS v1 and it was better.
I now have my 100W Too Rock and when I switch it to 50W the sound really does thin out. On these types of amps, I really advise getting 100W. The volume difference is only 16% but the difference in tone is much greater!
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:
A few more. Not much to gain with the silicone sandwich in there....customer was pretty livid that it could not be tweaked. TR told him "nothing wrong with it", 'cept it sounds small and thin....


I'm sure the goop subject has been beaten to death on this board somewhere. But it's lame, defeatable, and effectively prevents the customer from taking an iron to their board to tweak it. Encase it in black lexan or something if you really want to protect your values. And if a component fails or falls out of tolerance on that board, is the whole circuit just replaced completely during the warranty period?

Haven't seen the voltage regulators on the power supply board before. Their lead dress seems to wax and wane through the years. I've got a Custom Reverb (non sig) showing up tomorrow that I picked up on eBay. I thought the layout/lead dress looked better in this amp than the later amps that were signed by Skinner on the inside.
Cool, hope she's a good one. I notice this amp doesn't have the cap foil direction indicated like the signatures have. Interesting
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Joost wrote:Cool, hope she's a good one. I notice this amp doesn't have the cap foil direction indicated like the signatures have. Interesting
Thanks! I'm not entirely sure it's a transformer/power issue on the issue you described. I know that the 100w version would be my first choice. But alas.... I got a 50. I know that if you read up.. It looks like the tone of their amps has changed throughout the platform and not always with praise from the masses. Most folks love the K&M Custom and Emerald Pros. In the CRS platforms, it seems like the first version is the most desirable on eBay and in the forums. So I'm hoping the pre-Sig sounds something in that neighborhood between the K&M Custom and the CRS v1.

The other thing is, too, dialing them in. After reading Kimock's "how to dial up a dumble", I took a new approach to my Bassman conversion. And I was surprised... the amp showed me some new things I had not discovered accidentally. Especially when it came to the post effects volume. I mean to dial it in so that the switch between clean and lead is transparent but gives you an edge if you increase pick attack for example. It's interesting to listen to the "wooshes" of each pot and make notes. Good post by Kimock, I'm sure most of us have read it.
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brentm wrote:
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:
Haven't seen the voltage regulators on the power supply board before.
I believe those are FRED's in the HV supply.

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Yes they are. FRED rectifier diodes. They are high speed switching diodes. I use the UF5408, which is similar, in a standard diode package. You'd think for 5-K they could add a bypass cap to them....

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No, I agree, it's not only a power issue. The rest is voicing of the amp, especially the OD which was just not to my liking.
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Joost wrote:Cool, hope she's a good one. I notice this amp doesn't have the cap foil direction indicated like the signatures have. Interesting
Thanks! I'm not entirely sure it's a transformer/power issue on the issue you described. I know that the 100w version would be my first choice. But alas.... I got a 50. I know that if you read up.. It looks like the tone of their amps has changed throughout the platform and not always with praise from the masses. Most folks love the K&M Custom and Emerald Pros. In the CRS platforms, it seems like the first version is the most desirable on eBay and in the forums. So I'm hoping the pre-Sig sounds something in that neighborhood between the K&M Custom and the CRS v1.

The other thing is, too, dialing them in. After reading Kimock's "how to dial up a dumble", I took a new approach to my Bassman conversion. And I was surprised... the amp showed me some new things I had not discovered accidentally. Especially when it came to the post effects volume. I mean to dial it in so that the switch between clean and lead is transparent but gives you an edge if you increase pick attack for example. It's interesting to listen to the "wooshes" of each pot and make notes. Good post by Kimock, I'm sure most of us have read it.
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Joost wrote:
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:A few more. Not much to gain with the silicone sandwich in there....customer was pretty livid that it could not be tweaked. TR told him "nothing wrong with it", 'cept it sounds small and thin....
I had the blue chassis Custom Reverb Sig v2 50W and it was the biggest amp-disappointment in my life. It was thin and also very hard to dial in the OD. If you had a good clean tone, the OD sounded weird and fizzy. Turn off the bright on the clean and the OD sounded ok, but the clean was muddy and dark. Heard some good Two Rocks after that, but this one wasn't there. Played the 100W version of the CRS v1 and it was better.
I now have my 100W Too Rock and when I switch it to 50W the sound really does thin out. On these types of amps, I really advise getting 100W. The volume difference is only 16% but the difference in tone is much greater!
brentm wrote:Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:04 am Post subject:
FUCHSAUDIO wrote:
A few more. Not much to gain with the silicone sandwich in there....customer was pretty livid that it could not be tweaked. TR told him "nothing wrong with it", 'cept it sounds small and thin....


I'm sure the goop subject has been beaten to death on this board somewhere. But it's lame, defeatable, and effectively prevents the customer from taking an iron to their board to tweak it. Encase it in black lexan or something if you really want to protect your values. And if a component fails or falls out of tolerance on that board, is the whole circuit just replaced completely during the warranty period?

Haven't seen the voltage regulators on the power supply board before. Their lead dress seems to wax and wane through the years. I've got a Custom Reverb (non sig) showing up tomorrow that I picked up on eBay. I thought the layout/lead dress looked better in this amp than the later amps that were signed by Skinner on the inside.
Cool, hope she's a good one. I notice this amp doesn't have the cap foil direction indicated like the signatures have. Interesting
The Two Rock sig V2s were among the worst amps they ever made IMO. They only sounded decent at very low volumes, and even then, not great. The plain old Custom is the one to have. Killer sounding amps!!! The sig V1s were good as well, but the Artist remains my favorite TwoRock, and could be dialed in pretty darn close to Dumble #183. Funny it was a "poormans" sig V1, but IMO, sounded MUCH better. Much smoother and woodier.
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Just serviced an Emmy pro 50-w that was actually pretty nice ! Still, the input stage had a sandwich of formica and silicone, so no tweaking possible...
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:Just serviced an Emmy pro 50-w that was actually pretty nice ! Still, the input stage had a sandwich of formica and silicone, so no tweaking possible...
Hey Andy, I hope all is well, and this economy is not killing you as bad as it is me. The worst 2 years I have ever seen in my 32 plus years in business. Thank God for maintenance! Its keeping me alive!

Man, I still love the emmy pros. My second favorite 2rock behind the Artist. Change the treble cap from the stock 330 to 500 and it really opens up. Great cleans, great reverb, smooth as glass ovedrive, great D style amp!
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Thanks Tag.
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Re: Two rock custom reverb sig sounds and guts

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What kind of reverb tank are used in this amp?
9AB3C1B, or another type.
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Re: Two rock custom reverb sig sounds and guts

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duka wrote:What kind of reverb tank are used in this amp?
9AB3C1B, or another type.
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9AB2C1B in mine.
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brentm wrote:
duka wrote:What kind of reverb tank are used in this amp?
9AB3C1B, or another type.
Duka
9AB2C1B in mine.
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Is only one triode is used for reverb driver (connected to reverb transformer) and is it 12AT7 on this circuit. I think I saw on some TRCR both triode are used like Fender did it on his amps (wired in parallel).
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Re: Two rock custom reverb sig sounds and guts

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Can this be built with out the switches and overdrive?
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