Empty Blank Aluminum box anybody?

[HeeBGB]

A plain, undrilled aluminum box is no infringement, but as Pete points out, you called it a "Komet chassis".
Hogy

So you're saying that if Allyn had called it a "Welded aluminum box chassis" with the dimensions
19.25" X 7.25" X 2.50"
.125 thick aluminum!
Corner welded brackets.
All sides welded.
Undrilled and Unmachined

That we wouldn't be having this conversation?

This seems like an awfull lot of Bu11sh1t for a poor choice of words! And what does Komboking have to do with it? Why would you email him? He was simply making a box! He has no control over what Allyn calls it!

You have four times now edited your original post and its title so that my replies seem to make no sense, and that's your idea of a respectful discussion?

Hogy

This whole thing is because Allyn used the term "Komet Chassis" and when he changes it.....you complain! He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't! He only changed it to placate you. Not to make your replies look like nonsense!

Maybe we should refrain from using the term "Komet" here alltogether?!

[HeeBGB]

This is the "Trainwreck Forum" formed for building Wrecks. I too have followed it from the Yahoo days and am sorry to say that there have been more sh*t fights in the last month than the last few years. Lets get back to wrecks.

Komets and Komet cloning have no place here.

Pete,

It really is not for YOU to say what we can discuss here. Omar opened the door to K0m3ts here when he posted the pics over two years ago. As you so eloquently put it..."That horse has bolted"

Take your own advice and don't speak for the rest of us!

[Omar]

Sorry for my absence on this topic - I was away this weekend and have been spending today getting caught up. This topic has obviously created a firestorm and I feel that we need to restore some order.

The original post was for having Komet-style chassis made. There is certainly an implication of cloning Hogy's amps (despite the chassis being undrilled) which he took exception to. I think that his concern is justified. He has a commercial product that he is protecting.

I have had several email conversations with forum members in the past about Komets and we all agreed that cloning discussions should be off limits. Whether you agree on the financial impact or not, this is someones livelihood.

When I created this group way back in the Yahoo days, the idea was to get a bunch of DIY'ers to discuss building Trainwreck amps, which are unattainable due to Ken's health. I always made sure to mention that the information was never intended for commercial use but for personal use. As the group has grown, I felt like we had builders with a wealth of knowledge that went untapped because the discussion focused only on Trainwrecks so I opened the discussion to cover more amps. I envisioned this board to be a place for DIY'ers much like ampage.org and I was really enjoying the growth of the board.

But things went sour for me a few weeks back. As I have mentioned in a previous post, I am not comfortable with Ceriatone and Weber offering Trainwreck kits knowing that this board had something to do with it. It was never my intention to see a commercial product come from this no matter how little the profit margin may be. I feel like we have opened Pandora's Box. While I'm happy for a lot of people who have successfully built their own Trainwrecks, I feel guilt about the kits, like I was a unknowing accomplice. Hogy obviously would like to avoid the same thing happen to his product.

Please be respectful of other members and please remember the intentions of this forum.

If you have any questions please email me.

Omar

PS. HeeBGB - Technically, I did not post the pics. Someone else did. I zipped them and put them in the files section after the fact. Just wanted to clarify.

[Noel Grassy]

Please do not feed the troll

Hardy Muthafu--in' Har! Sir I must hand it you for that clever & succinct sentence. Ahem, now to the original topic. I'll formally place myself on the "needs one" list iffin' it aint blowed out the winda. Maybe you can get these fabbed elsewhere, I'm sure of it actually. You know what I'll call around and get a quote. What's everyone's favorite thread in the captured nuts?___#10 x 32 tpi? These are Clear Anodized correct?Thanks , Noel Grassy

[Allynmey]

Noel, those are welded corner anchors, not caged nuts. 10-24 might be better. Things are in the works.

Allynmey

[Allynmey]

Anyone interested in the Undrilled, plain aluminum box. PM me.

Allyn

[jblues]

wow, what a circus we have here huh? ...well i allready compared the schematics between the komet and the express and they are different amps.....diff post . also who would want to clone a komet? it's sooo damn loud and really it's kind of an offshoot of the express; which frankly in my opinion is more dynamic and better for rock and roll....but hey i probobly would mod the komet just like the express to suit my taste....forever tweaking , the "size of the chasis isn't as impotant as the material for these hot rodded marshall vox sounding amps just use alluminum if you like the old plexi sound. in other words get a different sized box guys ...like i know you will use diff caps and pots etc than komet, lol.

[Allynmey]

Jblues, the name is tongue in cheek to placate a trolling amp builder who likes to act like a tough guy and his minions here I have had some made and we are building a certain clone, right down to the surplus buyout parts that he used. Yes, I find that most aren't available because they all went obsolete some short time ago. Don't get me wrong, they are good parts. It has been kinda fun playing detective to find them. I found just about every last one. I'll post some pics of my "Brand X" clone in the near future.

Allynmey

[chimeboss]

Jblues, the name is tongue in cheek to placate a trolling amp builder who likes to act like a tough guy and his minions here I have had some made and we are building a certain clone, right down to the surplus buyout parts that he used. Yes, I find that most aren't available because they all went obsolete some short time ago. Don't get me wrong, they are good parts. It has been kinda fun playing detective to find them. I found just about every last one. I'll post some pics of my "Brand X" clone in the near future.

Allynmey

And to think all this time we thought you were the "tough guy"

Cant wait to see "Brand X"

Perhaps Ty would dig it .

[Allynmey]

Chimeboss, should I post a pic here or send it directly to Hogy to save you the time?

Allynmey

and CB...you are the minion

[MKflo84]

You know all this discussion will only encourage those who want to make Komet clones. It's natural. If anyone is trying to discourage you from doing sthing, then you eventually try harder to do it.

So it's perhaps the best way to have pretty soon komet clones on the market...even thought I agree with the right of everyone at Komet amps to keep their design secret. They made their living of it.
Flo

[Allynmey]

You know all this discussion will only encourage those who want to make Komet clones. It's natural. If anyone is trying to discourage you from doing sthing, then you eventually try harder to do it.

So it's perhaps the best way to have pretty soon komet clones on the market...even thought I agree with the right of everyone at Komet amps to keep their design secret. They made their living of it.
Flo

Well Flo, I think that is what we do in an amp building forum. It seems one of the minions has come here to stir things up a bit. Since we agreed not to post schematics and layouts, I think that is not an issue. I don't remember sending Ted weber a copy of anything lately. Maybe you should visit www.iworshiphogy.com

BTW...I will be taking delivery of 10 shiny boxes tomorrow. If interested let me know. I also would like to thank you for resurrecting this thread! Maybe you have rekindled some interest!

Allynmey

[lastwinj]

just picked this up on ebay...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=011

[MKflo84]

BTW...I will be taking delivery of 10 shiny boxes tomorrow. If interested let me know. I also would like to thank you for resurrecting this thread! Maybe you have rekindled some interest!

Thank you very much ! But I live in France, so it would not be very easy to do.

I made many amps lattely. One of them is a Soldano SLO100 which sounds pretty good. But I don't really like the crunch channel, that's why Im looking for an amp like the Komet/Express to get great crunchy sounds.

For smaller projects, I use Hammond chassis. They cost nothing, they're very reliable and BTW you won't get hurt by a mad member of the Komet protection association (my last amp is a 36W with TMB based on Weber's schematic. I added a "tone" pot, a bright swotch and a master volume. Sounds great !).

I won't build a Komet now, because I think that it's perhaps too loud of an amp for my bedroom. But I'm sure I'll build one in the future. Just imagine the costs of such an amp in France (where you can't find any dealer. BTW, I need a 240V version...).

Concerning the main issue -commercialy clone Komets- I truelly think that it isn't achievable for isolated people like us. I mean, finishing my SLO took me a LOT of time. If I had to get paid for all the hours I spend on this project, adding the desired benefits, the price would be FAR over the price of a real SLO.

So it's only big firms that can threaten the Komet. And everybody knows that they can do so tomorow if they want it. They just have to buy one, then to clone it (like it has been the case for the SLO). It is that simple.

So please, stop anoying people who only want a BLANK aluminium box... to have fun building their own amp.

Flo

[AdmiralB]

They made their living of it.

I was under the impression that Holger and Mike made their living with the repair business. In any case, I have a hard time believing that cloning the Komet is going to affect their business model. The price tag pretty much guarantees it.

The folks who will pay $3500 for a Komet are not in the market for a facsimile. Same with Les Pauls; if a guy wants an R9, only the R9 is good enough no matter how good Edwards/Tokai/et al may be.

I have a Komet clone. Regardless of how good it sounds, nobody who is considering buying a Komet seriously would even consider mine, if I were ever to sell it.