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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:The problem is whether you should bother...I copyright my board art and mark it as such, but it's no guarantee someone can't take pictures or simply start drawing a board up from yours....when I worked at Earth (before most computer PC board programs were in common use) they took Peavey boards and stripped them of parts, made up insertion and part lists, and photographed the artwork to replicate them perfectly. The boards were heavier and higher grade boards since the company was a miltary contractor. They overbuilt except they made mistakes like using unmatched output transistors and made a few fatal shortcuts......

Randall has patented so much prior art it's silly. Things like simul-class and mixing power tube types, different rectifiers, mostly semantics (re-describing prior things differently or with a minor change. The only "real" patent was the channel switching IMHO, which a number of people (Risson, Boogie, Dumble etc) did but Randall patented it. He's bugged a few people (Egnater, Budda, Bad-Cat) over power tube switching and dual rectification, that I know of. He bugged me over diamond plate metal fronts on an amp.

Peavey has had some really innovative patents in solid state stuff. Switch mode amps, solid state emulating tube sound, some cool stuff. As far as tubes go most of the "real" patenting seems to have come from audiophile companies like Audio Research who did some pioneering tube/solid state hybrid stuff that was cool and unique.

The only "small company" I know of that patented something new tube related was Heritages amp division who pulled a patent (via Paul-C's design I think) for a unique output transformer. We shared an attorney who mentioned it, although didn't tell me anything about the details.

Patents and trademarks can run you into money. Most smaller companies would rather take their chances and use the money for something else like IDK, eating....
It is getting to where you can't even build a guitar amp without running into patents on "commonly-known circuits". Randall Smith even has a patent on an interstage attenuator circuit,which is about as old as rocks!! I have no problem with inventors patenting unique circuits,(Like Tom Sholtz did with the resistive load 8) ) but things like switchable rectifiers and switchable cathode fixed bias are IMO taking things a bit too far. What's next, the standby switch

And people wonder why boutique amps are so expensive!!...

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It would be a great day when someone with spare change contests all his BS patents on pilot lamps and solo volume controls and such....
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Ever look up "Extended Class A" in the Audio Cyclopedia and notice a strange resemblance to "Simul-Class"?
I think most of Randall's patent attemps are a marketing gimmock.. :lol: People see all his patents on his schematics and think he is some kind of electronics genious when most of the ones I've seen were in books long before he was building amps!..Take a look at Norman Cowhearst's books, (Wrote the book on blocking distortion)..I'll bet you'll find a number of Randall's patents came right out of this book!!..
I am sure there are a few cool things Randall (or his engineers) came up with ..So far I am not real impressed and think most are definitely not worthy of a patent :roll:

Maybe one day he will come up with and patent a control that let's you set idle bias on a tube amp!!

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A patent for an amp that doesn't sound like elephant farts might be nice....
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:A patent for an amp that doesn't sound like elephant farts might be nice....
But then if anyone else made an amp that didn't sound like elephant farts they could be sued. Only Bugera and Line6 would be safe.
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I totally agree on the multiple useless patents idea.
Of course not on the technical point of view, because it's not their intent.

I agree with the business point of view, as they are intended to be.
Both in terms of company value, and promotion of the products, a patented idea gives you some points over the others, even if you don't have any.

I personally like the dynapower patent, as an useful application for low power amps, but this is a different story.
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Hard to believe this thread still has life...got me to wondering, has anyone here ever actually heard an elephant fart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9VB4J_rfo
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Ok but that was only a baby elephant fart.
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That was for a single ended 6V6.

Mama elephant is for the 50 watters, papa elephant is for the 100 watters.
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Here is an excellent example of blocking distortion:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PSKQ3ZNQ_O8
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roberto wrote:I totally agree on the multiple useless patents idea.
Of course not on the technical point of view, because it's not their intent.

I agree with the business point of view, as they are intended to be.
Both in terms of company value, and promotion of the products, a patented idea gives you some points over the others, even if you don't have any.

I personally like the dynapower patent, as an useful application for low power amps, but this is a different story.
Honestly, properly protected trademarks are likely more a value than a useless rehashed patent. When you want to sell a company, owning your brand trademark is essential. It's an asset. One company borrowed money using their name as collateral and lost it to the company that loaned them the money, who now uses it on products.

I recently looked up a trademark for a company I thought was out of (or going out of) business (the founder and principal died), and found someone else trying to steal their name ! They went so far as providing the application with product pictures...! The company owned it from using it for almost 50 years and it was a no-brainer, but never formally filed for it with the USPTO. They are now in the process of securing their name....legally.
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FUCHSAUDIO wrote:Honestly, properly protected trademarks are likely more a value than a useless rehashed patent.
this is only part of the game.

You can pay someone to give your patents a value. Many medium to big companies can easily obtain higher values, and this will reflect into the value of the company, even if it's not a brand. And in this case it is.

And this can give you more opportunity to grow, so to increase the brand, and blabla.
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Hello guys, so are there any schematics of mods that could make the JCM 800 the 80's monster? Thanks.
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Here's a #34 Mod layout---- it's pretty simple and doesn't require adding another preamp tube----- it can also be easily removed if you want to try something else later.

#34 Mod: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4344/34v3.jpg


Here's a 14 watt cathode biased EL84x2 amp I built a few yrs ago based on the #34 Mod.

Rhythm: http://youtu.be/dbn9MIcBdzA

Lead: http://youtu.be/XiuwSyg_T34
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-change 2nd stage 10k cathode to 2.7K/.68
-add .68 to 3rd stage cathode
-change 1st stage plate resistor to 220K or more and put a small cap across if everything is too bright
-short across 470k/470p
-add voltage divider after gain pot. 68k/68K is popular here. But you can mix it however you like, or even try with no divider. Sometimes that works
-add fixed resonance, or depth pot
-I like 47K 8ohm tap NFB but everyone has their preference
-google "Jose mods" to confirm , and to see how to add "clippers", for even more compression and crunch, and volume loss ;)
-put everything on a switch so you can see what it does
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