To trim or not to trim -- transformer leads
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To trim or not to trim -- transformer leads
I'm ashamed to post this in the technical section.  That's because any sensible person would trim the leads and go to the next task.  Tho' I've been building for a decade or so, when it comes to transformer leads, I have trouble cutting them off.  You know, like the smoke, it's hard to put back once it's done.  Well, not as bad as putting the smoke back.
I just installed an OT on a SE build and the leads are way long...and there are lots of them 5K, 7K primary, 4-8-16 secondary. That makes 7 with the 0 leads. So, just how short can I reasonably cut them? How much slack for "service" do you leave?
			
			
									
									
						I just installed an OT on a SE build and the leads are way long...and there are lots of them 5K, 7K primary, 4-8-16 secondary. That makes 7 with the 0 leads. So, just how short can I reasonably cut them? How much slack for "service" do you leave?
Re: To trim or not to trim -- transformer leads
I usually leave at least 3-4 inches - then in future if re-used can always be extended with some wire and shrink wrap.
I dont think long leads will affect the tone of the amp - unless your ac drifts over the preamp.
			
			
									
									I dont think long leads will affect the tone of the amp - unless your ac drifts over the preamp.
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I have the opposite problem, being Virgo and compulsively tidy. I trim everything…sometimes too short. Though I don't mind hooking, soldering and shranktubing wires to make them longer when needed.
			
			
									
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						Re: To trim or not to trim -- transformer leads
If you have a particularly interesting transformer, but not sure if it's found a permanent home chassis, bow-tie the leads with wire ties.Phil_S wrote:I'm ashamed to post this in the technical section. That's because any sensible person would trim the leads and go to the next task. Tho' I've been building for a decade or so, when it comes to transformer leads, I have trouble cutting them off. You know, like the smoke, it's hard to put back once it's done. Well, not as bad as putting the smoke back.
I just installed an OT on a SE build and the leads are way long...and there are lots of them 5K, 7K primary, 4-8-16 secondary. That makes 7 with the 0 leads. So, just how short can I reasonably cut them? How much slack for "service" do you leave?
Even with a truly 'permanent' install I think a bit of slack is reasonable assuming attention is paid to noise abatement.
rd
Re: To trim or not to trim -- transformer leads
I don't cut my unused leads short either.  I make sure one is shorter then the other, trimmed, shrink tubed, and tied.
Never know what I might do with those leads later
 
Lately I like installing switches and running dual HT or dual OT primary.
			
			
									
									
						Never know what I might do with those leads later
Lately I like installing switches and running dual HT or dual OT primary.
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In the amp I'm working on now I'm glad I didn't cut the rectifier 5V lines. I might be using them to run a relay. Never can tell what you don't know, you know.
			
			
									
									
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You can always shove a bit into the bell. Not sure if that's unsound for noise but I've done it. Some have more room than others though. I found it isn't too hard to splice new leads and hide the joint in the bell too, so I now trim away, but only after I confirm the amp works well.
			
			
									
									
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I confess to hiding them in the bell too!
Shrink-wrap the ends, spaghetti sleeve them and fold them in so that they can be picked out if plans change.
I do have one really great 18W OT form IG without bell covers, so the excess is tied up in a gay looking bow. Looks really daft and unfinished, but sounds fine.
Best, tony
			
			
									
									
						Shrink-wrap the ends, spaghetti sleeve them and fold them in so that they can be picked out if plans change.
I do have one really great 18W OT form IG without bell covers, so the excess is tied up in a gay looking bow. Looks really daft and unfinished, but sounds fine.
Best, tony
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On my last PCB style Express I provided two eyelets on the board for the 5v leads just incase I wanted to add something later.sepulchre wrote:In the amp I'm working on now I'm glad I didn't cut the rectifier 5V lines. I might be using them to run a relay. Never can tell what you don't know, you know.
Mark
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This is a MPS OT10SE. I confess to cutting the leads and soldering last night.  They were 10" leads. I cut 5.5" off the brown (5K primary to the 6L6 plate), didn't cut the blue (7K primary), and the 4 secondary leads were trimmed a bit less.  All remaining lengths are still serviceable.  There is slack in all of them.  I may have to trim and relocate the red B+ lead.  I'll know more after I try out the amp (again)!
Don't ask. This is a mutant on the AX84 octal fatness. Initially, it was a total failure. Using a 6SL7 instead of 12AX7 probably cranked it down more than just a notch and I'm not looking forward to re-biasing that tube (under the output jacks.) I think more is learned from failure than success.
Now that I finally have a proper OT in it, I'll find out if it actually has problems or not.
BTW, the PT is a hefty Telefunken that I scored on eBait for cheap!
			
			
						Don't ask. This is a mutant on the AX84 octal fatness. Initially, it was a total failure. Using a 6SL7 instead of 12AX7 probably cranked it down more than just a notch and I'm not looking forward to re-biasing that tube (under the output jacks.) I think more is learned from failure than success.
Now that I finally have a proper OT in it, I'll find out if it actually has problems or not.
BTW, the PT is a hefty Telefunken that I scored on eBait for cheap!
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I like the idea of preserving the leads and stuffing them in the bell.
But, I would like to see if the added coils of wire there cause any noise problems or are they shielded by the bell enough to silence it.
			
			
									
									But, I would like to see if the added coils of wire there cause any noise problems or are they shielded by the bell enough to silence it.
Tom
Don't let that smoke out!
						Don't let that smoke out!